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Reef Discussion => Inverts => Topic started by: Lazylivin on January 22, 2012, 02:12:43

Title: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 22, 2012, 02:12:43
I noticed one of my Peppermint Shrimp with eggs. Thought why not try to raise them. Put her in a small 1/2 gallon plastic pail with air and heat last night. Got up this morning and she had released the young. Here are a few pics. They are less then 24 hours old and really tiny, hard to see with the eye.

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6890/img5516m.jpg)

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9426/img5527q.jpg)

This one eating a baby brine shrimp

(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7584/img5513lj.jpg)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: micki on January 22, 2012, 07:09:28
COOL!!! If you decide to raise and sell them I would like to be on the list!  Maybe you could add some aptasia to your shrimp area to get them used to the taste and they would hunt for that in our tanks after we buy them from you1  :)  Just a thought. 
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on January 22, 2012, 10:06:07
thats great good luck
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Reefpete on January 22, 2012, 11:43:30
 :-Thumb
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: tidepool on January 22, 2012, 12:11:49
Very, Very cool Lazy.... keep us posted on the mortality rate - very curious since I have had a few peppermint shrimp with eggs in my frag tank - and even though I have tons of pods and pulsing Xenia like Rich - I have never seen a juvenile peppermint shrimp in my system...

 8)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 22, 2012, 15:39:02
On day two and they are all still alive. I had a small 3g picotope tank so moved them to there. Feed frozen baby brine again this morning. Going to get some brine eggs to hatch today. Not sure if that is any better but I can enrich with phyto and selcon so maybe? I am guessing there is somewhere around 200-300 baby's.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Blown76mav on January 22, 2012, 16:50:09
Sweet, you may be onto something.  I know I could use some shrimp.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on January 22, 2012, 17:46:53
Sweet, you may be onto something.  I know I could use some shrimp.
+1
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Steve on January 22, 2012, 19:27:02
Might want to consider some GP's from Brine Shrimp Direct. Good job Brian, wish I had more space to dabble and such, hope they grow for you.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Wall_Tank on January 22, 2012, 19:28:30
Might want to consider some GP's from Brine Shrimp Direct.

I have plenty of these if you want to try.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: wyssj on January 22, 2012, 23:48:54
Let me know how this works for you!!! I have 3 peppermint shrimp and theres usually two that have eggs whenever I notice. I briefly thought about trying to raise them, but since I am so new to sw I figured they would just serve as coral food. But maybe if you have some luck I will be more inclined to give it a try!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 22, 2012, 23:55:13
Thanks for the offer Paul. I will keep this thread updated. Well as long as their is some living.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: aquavista99 on January 23, 2012, 12:41:54
This is good news....Thanks for sharing and I hope others are encouraged by this thread to breed invertebrates as well.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Boonjob on January 23, 2012, 13:20:57
Wow, Awesome Brian, Hope this works out for you, this is pretty awesome!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: cyberwollf on January 23, 2012, 13:25:18
Are they commonly bred? never hear of tank raised shirmp very often
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 23, 2012, 20:12:06
There isn't much info out there on breeding. A few have been successful but I haven't done all that much research yet either.

Update: Nothing really changed today. Just replaced the air pump with a smaller one. All still eating good. Gave them some live baby brine today. It is harder for them to hold on to then the frozen/dead baby brine.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Wall_Tank on January 23, 2012, 20:20:53
Do you have a size reference for these little guys.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 23, 2012, 21:06:16
They are 2mm
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Todd W. on January 23, 2012, 21:48:22
Wow what a cool experience.  So.... at the meeting... Pink or Blue cigars ''DAD"   :party0041:
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Amstar on January 24, 2012, 13:33:53
http://www.chucksaddiction.com/harlequinshrimp.html (http://www.chucksaddiction.com/harlequinshrimp.html)

I know this is about harlequin shrimp but it does have a nice section about eggs, and keeping them alive
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 26, 2012, 12:23:46
Well they had their first molt Tuesday and should have a second one tomorrow. I counted 45 still alive. Not to bad but to go farther I would need specialized configuration. There is very little info out their about the tank configuration. I have no issues with food and water quality but more the water movement. They are extremely fragile and apedenges get damaged very easy affecting ability to eat. They also have to stay in suspension and can't sit on bottom or they die. Ever so soft fine air bubbles are required but will damage them if the get in the flow. I need some plankton cloth. Anyone know where I can get local?
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: aquavista99 on January 26, 2012, 13:25:03
http://www.ehow.com/how_8703420_diy-plankton-cloth.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_8703420_diy-plankton-cloth.html)

I need some plankton cloth. Anyone know where I can get local?
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 26, 2012, 13:44:46
Hey thanks Tim that may be small enough holes, I will check tonight
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 29, 2012, 22:11:10
Almost 8 days old now. They look different after each molt. Here is a pic tonight

(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7182/img5657um.jpg)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: aquavista99 on January 29, 2012, 22:52:30
Priceless. Looks like you are doing an amazing job with the baby peppermint shrimp!!!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: wyssj on January 29, 2012, 23:02:02
What are you keeping them in...tank wise? And any type of filtration or aeration or something? Just wondering because I have been closely monitoring this thread to see how you are doing. I have 3 pep shrimp in my biocube 29 and they constantly have eggs. I tried catching one last week, as it was only a few days from them all hatching but...well lets just say the shrimp won that battle :)

I checked each of the 3 tonight and one has a new batch of eggs already started and I want to catch her up and try raising them as well.

Also, what are you feeding them? BBS or something?

Thanks
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 30, 2012, 01:44:35
They are in a small 3g picotope tank. There is a small heater and air stone with fine bubbles. Nothing else is in the tank and no filtration. I change 90% of the water every third day. I don't think it is the best environment for them. I ordered a book on rearing peppermint shrimp and waiting for that to get here to see what I need to do. There isn't much info out there so I am counting on this to be a good book. I feed them live baby brine shrimp.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: micki on January 30, 2012, 07:04:20
This is exciting! 
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: wyssj on January 30, 2012, 18:02:15
I was thinking that maybe a 10g would work?? Well keep us all updated, especially once you get that book!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Boonjob on January 30, 2012, 18:18:45
I have a 26 gall bow front you are welcome to borrow brian if you want it...


Also currently have a empty 240 if the 26 isn't big enough ;P haha
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on January 30, 2012, 18:23:28
Small works pretty good right now for water changes. These guys aren't much larger then a baby brine shrimp and much much smaller then an adult brine shrimp. It is hard for me to find them at times. A 10g would probably be my next step but that is likely a good 2 weeks away if they survive that long. But thanks for the equipment offers.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on February 03, 2012, 00:11:29
To my surprise they are doing really well. Since this last morph yesterday they seem to swim with purpose now instead of just where the flow takes them. They have got some new legs that they use to swim with and can even see them chase down the live baby brine. I have to siphon out the brine shrimp every couple days because they grow to quick, much faster then the peppermint shrimp. The hunted could end up being the hunters. Here is a couple snaps from this evening.

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8643/img5729d.jpg)

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2752/img5732u.jpg)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Boonjob on February 03, 2012, 00:20:39
Very awesome Brian, Keep up with the updates! I am very interested in how this all pans out.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on February 03, 2012, 08:18:33
That's great
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: micki on February 03, 2012, 08:20:20
Sweeeeet!  Put me on the for sale list!  I can provide some aptasia to get them used to eating it before you sell them!  :D
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on February 03, 2012, 12:42:08
If I was sucessful in rasing any significant numbers I would sell to local fish stores because it would fall under commercial sales for Ohio Reef. However I would share my methods so anyone could raise them. I am along way from claiming victory though. Still waiting on the book I ordered to arrive.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Reefpete on February 03, 2012, 23:19:03
If I was sucessful in rasing any significant numbers I would sell to local fish stores because it would fall under commercial sales for Ohio Reef. However I would share my methods so anyone could raise them. I am along way from claiming victory though. Still waiting on the book I ordered to arrive.

I can't wait to see the updates! Great Pictures btw Brian!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on February 04, 2012, 00:07:23
Glad you like the pics, it is so hard to get good snaps. It is like trying to get a photo of a reef pod. They are small and moving constantly.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: tidepool on February 04, 2012, 07:51:45
Next thing you know - we will be seeing Lazy doing a docudrama on Nova or NGS!!!! 
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: micki on February 04, 2012, 08:04:06
Next thing you know - we will be seeing Lazy doing a docudrama on Nova or NGS!!!! 

+1 :D
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on February 04, 2012, 13:31:28
Next thing you know - we will be seeing Lazy doing a docudrama on Nova or NGS!!!! 
that would be awsome
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on February 12, 2012, 02:56:41
All of them still alive. Kind of a PIA with the daily water changes. Added flake food to their diet now. Need to get a sump hooked up so I can add filtration. A tank with just water is really hard to keep clean.
The mother released another few hundred young last night. I put them in a small 5gallon tank.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: micki on February 12, 2012, 08:45:26
Very Cool!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Wall_Tank on February 12, 2012, 08:54:00
Kind of a PIA...........The mother released another few hundred young last night. I put them in a small 5gallon tank.

That sounds exactly like you.   Obsessed.   

Glad its going well
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on February 12, 2012, 11:14:43
That's good
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Todd W. on February 12, 2012, 12:13:03
Kinda nice to have a hobby to take up the 'spare' time in your life....  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: aquavista99 on February 12, 2012, 13:25:58
Oh my...you will be busy. Keep up the good work!

All of them still alive. Kind of a PIA with the daily water changes. Added flake food to their diet now. Need to get a sump hooked up so I can add filtration. A tank with just water is really hard to keep clean.
The mother released another few hundred young last night. I put them in a small 5gallon tank.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on February 12, 2012, 16:57:29
Was there today and wow brian ur doing a great job
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Steve on February 12, 2012, 20:52:29
Pappa Shrimp!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Twizted1 on February 12, 2012, 22:50:52
Did you ever get a larger tank? If you need another 5 gallon tank Ive got one you can have.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on February 12, 2012, 23:58:40
I picked up 3 10g tanks today. 2 for shrimp and one for sump. Trying to determine how best to get water to the sump without taking the shrimp with it. I know it will consist of some super fine mesh but not exactly sure how to do it yet.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: discus513 on February 13, 2012, 01:11:51
My buddy used to raise FW shrimp and he had stand pipes that he would put sponge collars around them to keep the shrimp from going down the drain. he didnt run a sump but he did have an auto top off on his tanks setup on a sprinkler system. I am sure he probably lost a few here and there but not too many. also it may help if you throw in some small groups of cheato for the shrimp to hang onto so they are not getting blown around the tank.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on February 17, 2012, 00:05:59
That is good idea when they settle. Right now they are planktonic. Required to be in suspension all the time. In the ocean they don't have any walls, they float in super large open areas. Even small bumps against the glass can cause their leg to break. Eventually their last larva molt they will do what is called settling and at that time no longer need to be in suspension and I can add a macro algae to absorb nutrients and something for them to hold on to. I had two of them die today. Moved them to a 10g tank so they may have gotten injured in the move. They are very delicate. The second hatch is doing really well. They seem stronger then the first so hope to get a good survival rate.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: discus513 on February 17, 2012, 00:39:42
if you need a few small tanks let me know, maybe we can work out a trade for after you raise some of these up. I a have about 15 or so tanks I am going to be getting rid of ;-)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: micki on February 17, 2012, 07:22:06
This is so cool! 
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on February 17, 2012, 08:13:53
That's good to hear
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: marineman on February 17, 2012, 09:57:24
Seeing this thread made me sad. One my peppermints recently had eggs, but I left it in the tank. Cheap fish food, but looks really cool!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on March 01, 2012, 21:32:38
39 Days Post Hatch 3 of the shrimp have settled. They now look like small adult shrimp and no longer are planktonic. Eyes are attached to their body instead of on long stalks. The others should settle over the next few days.

Here is a crappy picture of one of the settled shrimp

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Here is another batch of larva that are 18 Days Post Hatch

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18DPH shrimp are in this tank

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39DPH shrimp are in this tank

(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9311/img5767f.jpg)

Full view

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Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on March 01, 2012, 21:59:18
Man that's great brian. They look great to
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Twizted1 on March 01, 2012, 22:12:12
This process is amazing. I think of these little guys out in the ocean and having to survive. This is something we don't get to see just every day. Thank you for sharing this with everyone.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Ashlar on March 01, 2012, 23:06:13
That's an awesome milestone! Congratulations!!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on March 02, 2012, 00:06:55
Thanks all, it has been fun.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: micki on March 02, 2012, 08:18:15
Very very cool!!!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Boonjob on March 02, 2012, 08:24:44
Brian such an awesome thread. Good work man, I don't know how you find time for this, but keep it up man ;)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: micki on March 02, 2012, 12:32:42
Brian such an awesome thread. Good work man, I don't know how you find time for this, but keep it up man ;)

+100%!
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on March 14, 2012, 01:32:49
Thanks all, they are 53 days old now. All doing really good, growing well. One of them is 3/4" long. They are super fast a lot faster then an adult shrimp and hide when I am around. Pics are next to impossible at this stage.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on March 19, 2012, 11:24:17
That's great brian
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on April 18, 2012, 22:15:26
The shrimp are 88 days old today and noticed one of the females carrying eggs this evening. There are around 40 of them that survived this long. Raising them was a pain, I learned a lot but doubt I will do it again. Here is blurry pic of some.


(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3189/img6085h.jpg)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on April 18, 2012, 22:22:49
wow man if you got 40 heck at 5 buck each thats 200 bucks
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on April 18, 2012, 22:28:35
I got more then that in raising them though :)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on April 18, 2012, 22:40:29
but next time you should have a 90% success that would be even more
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on April 18, 2012, 22:44:59
I have about 250$ in the first group for which 16 survived. Probably have about 75$ in the second batch for which 24 survived. So it is better but it takes a lot of time. I could probably get it down to about 35$ per batch and likely get more to survive but it is so much work. Their wouldn't be much profit because I think stores buy them wholesale for about $1.50 - $1.75 each.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: HUNGER on April 18, 2012, 22:49:56
o wow ya thats a lot of work for not much pay out
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Twizted1 on April 19, 2012, 08:06:29
But you look at the knowledge gained. And the experience. Those are priceless. Being able to make most of your $ back is just a plus.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on April 19, 2012, 08:10:57
It was good knowledge gained and quite an experience :)
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Boonjob on April 19, 2012, 08:19:32
You trying Clown Fish next? ;)


You training them to eat aiptasia? 
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on April 19, 2012, 17:43:04
They do like Aiptasia. I think will stick to coral farming. That is a lot easier
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Boonjob on April 19, 2012, 19:04:20
Lol

well pretty neat stuff you have done with these guys either way.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: tidepool on April 19, 2012, 20:18:34
 :sign0098:
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Lazylivin on August 24, 2013, 12:58:31
I was watching a peppermint shrimp eat a small aiptasia this morning and it reminded me of this journey.
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: Kenn on June 24, 2014, 23:52:02
Just trying to catch up since my absence.this was a great topic Brian.

I would recommend any new members to check this out.

Now my youngest son wants to do this as a science project :-D
Title: Re: Rearing Peppermint Shrimp
Post by: SirPuffington on June 25, 2014, 10:38:13
Awesome! Jealous