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Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« on: June 16, 2019, 10:42:45 »
Hey reefers...

My name is mike and I’m from Middletown. I’m wanting to be more active in the reefing community, check out some frag swaps, and meetings etc...

I’m not “new” exactly at this but have minimal experience. Let me explain...2008-09 is when I setup my first salt box. I’ve been forever hooked but was never able to keep a tank running long enough to really get into it. That first tank was running a year and when things were finally getting stabilized I had to tear down. It wasn’t until 2013 that I was able to try again. 4 months into it and I wasn’t happy. I completely re-done the entire system. Drilled, DIY overflow, new sump, new rock...fresh start. That tank made it 6 months until I moved from that apartment. Sold it all. Told myself I wouldn’t set up a tank unless I was absolutely sure I would have at least a few years with it. Well I bought a house last year.

I picked up a 90 gallon RR because it was a great deal back in 2014, but held true to the promise I made myself. Here I am and I’m ready to have some fun!

I do a lot of reading and take in as much information as possible and there’s so much thats changed, even in the last 5 years. I feel comfortable saying I have a fair bit of knowledge about reef keeping but missing the most important part.....experience.

I’m 13 days wet so far. Using dry rock and dry aragonite sand. I ran up to Gerbers last Sunday and picked up a small piece of live rock to seed my tank and hopefully kick start a cycle. Grabbing my test kit I realized it doesn’t have an ammonia test(I can’t explain not paying attention to that one lol) I ordered a test and it should be here tomorrow. A little worried that the small piece of LR wasn’t enough to start my cycle, I have been ghost feeding 1/2 cube of mysis the past 3 days. Rocks are as white as they were the day I got them. I’ll be able to test Monday and see where I am.

I know that’s long but I thought a back story would better help you guys understand where I am in the hobby.

I am on all the big name forums but I’m really looking forward to get to know my local reefers and get some advice along the way. Thanks for reading (if you made it this far) and happy reefing.

(Where’s some pictures already..) Right?




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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2019, 10:46:12 »



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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2019, 13:21:04 »
Looks like your on the right path! Nice gear!! I would add a bit more LR to seed your dry rock and get your cycle sped up a bit. What kind of coral and livestock are you aiming for?

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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2019, 14:07:57 »
Welcome to our little world.  There are a lot of great people with a lot of knowledge on here.  You can pick up several products by DR. Tims.  you can get bottled ammonia for the cycle along with bacteria starts that will speed things up.  Biggest mistake I see people do is rush things too much.  In this hobby everyone will agree that things are slow happening unless it is something bad!!!
Nice set up,  you are off to a good start.
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Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2019, 17:51:51 »
Welcome Mike. You obviously did some research, your equipment is nice. As Jjoos99 said, I would purchase ammonium chloride from Marine Depot along with Dr Tim’s live nitrifying bacteria. The bacteria will seed and populate your tank and the ammonium chloride is a cleaner way to add ammonia. Rotten food in the tank is not my preferred method anymore. Happy Reefing!

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2019, 18:57:55 »
Nice start Mike, good to see you back at it. Being in Middletown as well, give me a ring or send me a message if you need any help with anything. I use the Viperspectra lights over my frag tank and they do a great job. I have been using the Fritz bacteria product with my quarantine system and it seems to work pretty well. Hope to see you soon.

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2019, 22:17:12 »
Looks like your on the right path! Nice gear!! I would add a bit more LR to seed your dry rock and get your cycle sped up a bit. What kind of coral and livestock are you aiming for?

Thanks man! I may run back up to Gerbers and get some more of this man made rock they have cured. It’s really clean. One of my favorite parts of having an aquarium in the past was using rock from established tanks and being excited seeing almost something new each day growing on it or coming from it. I found clams, mushrooms, sponges. All kinds of cool things. I was lucky and didn’t get much unwanted other than a few fire worms. Really don’t want to chance adding unwanted hitchhikers this time, even though with long enough time I think it’s inevitable. Still will miss that aspect in the beginning.

As for corals, I get really excited about colorful zoas and monti caps. Maybe some GSP on an isolated rock to get my feet wet.

I’ve always wanted a pistol/goby pair. I think they are cool to watch so may start there after my CUC. Admittedly, I haven’t gotten that far yet.

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2019, 22:28:40 »
Welcome to our little world.  There are a lot of great people with a lot of knowledge on here.  You can pick up several products by DR. Tims.  you can get bottled ammonia for the cycle along with bacteria starts that will speed things up.  Biggest mistake I see people do is rush things too much.  In this hobby everyone will agree that things are slow happening unless it is something bad!!!
Nice set up,  you are off to a good start.
Jeff


Thanks man. If I have learned anything with my prior dabbles in reefing it is moving fast only results in regret. Of course I want my tank stocked full of fish and corals quick, but I understand if I take my time here the end result will be much more satisfying. I really have no reason to rush it. I’m enjoying sitting back and making sure it’s how I want it and enjoying the ride.

@jjoos99 and @Reeferntraining Is there a way to pick up the dr Tim’s locally? I don’t mind taking a ride and like browsing local shops too. I’m right in the middle of Dayton and Cincinnati.


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2019, 22:37:21 »
@Steve !! Good to hear from you. I got your messages this morning, I wasn’t sure if you were still into it. I noticed CincyReef is a bit of a ghost town. It’s great running into you here! Honestly a lot of the forums don’t seem as populated as they used to be back when I had a tank years back. I stumbled onto your 180 thread earlier today and noticed things were kicking your butt a little bit. How are things doing now? I can’t wait until I’m in a position to grab a frag or 2 from you. You always had some great looking pieces. I will definitely keep in touch with you. I still have many questions but we’ll take it one step at a time. Always a pleasure to talk with you.

Mike


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2019, 22:39:09 »
Should I be changing out my filter socks this early? I haven’t changed them. My thought process was let nasty break down in them and help with the cycle but I’m not sure if I should be changing them out or not yet. They’re getting a bit brownish.


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2019, 23:03:15 »
I haven't posted on my build thread for a while. Actually my tank is doing really well right now, stop by some time.

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2019, 06:49:45 »
I haven't posted on my build thread for a while. Actually my tank is doing really well right now, stop by some time.

Glad to hear the tank is doing good! I would love to come look at it. I’ll shoot you a call sometime. Been really busy here lately.


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2019, 06:53:15 »
Tested Ammo and nitite last night

Ammo- 1 ppm
Nitrite- 1 ppm

Not sure what’s going up or down right now I’ll continue to test the next couple weeks.


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2019, 16:42:14 »
Starting to get some color. Do you guys clean the diatoms off or let it ride?




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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2019, 17:11:03 »
Ammonia is undetectable today but nitrite is still high. It’s getting there.

Nitrates are really high around 40ppm and phosphate reads zero. API test for phosphate is a bit tricky to match the color up but it’s less than 0.25. Looks closest to zero.

Once my nitrite hits zero I’m going to do between 50%-80% water change and see where that puts my nitrates then see what I need to do to get it <10ppm.

Tank looks good. I’m surprised the uglies aren’t full blast at this point yet. Some green spots are showing up on sand and rocks. No new diatom growth and what was there is slowly fading.





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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2019, 14:24:21 »
Welcome!  I'm in Middletown, too.  It looks like you've started this build off amazingly well.  Looking forward to tagging along.

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2019, 17:39:50 »
Welcome!  I'm in Middletown, too.  It looks like you've started this build off amazingly well.  Looking forward to tagging along.

Thanks. I put a lot of time into planning and trying to visualize how I wanted things. So far I’m pretty happy with how it has come together. Filter sock placement in the sump is frustrating to deal with. Something I should have considered more. Thinking about doing away with the socks because changing them is a real chore. Wish I had more room under my stand.

Have you got any pics of your tank?

Here’s a pic to try and illustrate what I mean by filter sock frustration. The lid has to come off the top...fine, but then the filter pad and there’s also a plastic covering over the socks needs to come through the cutout in the side acrylic. Can’t be lifted from the top because of the rim around the sump. To top it off the rings on the socks are slightly larger than the top to get them through so they have to be squeezed some to fit. I like the clarity the socks give in the water but such a pain. Sorry I don’t know where that came from lol. Got to thinking about it ...I could rant about it forever, it’s extremely annoying to me. Anyway....



 


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2019, 17:46:54 »
Tank is looking pretty ugly today. There’s a brown algae that came back full force today and some green mixed in with it. The brown has what looks like a slimy texture at the points closest to lights. I turned whites only on and it’s REALLY noticeable. Thankfully with the blues on it really doesn’t look all that bad. I’m running whites at 1% and blues 15%.

Some visual pleasure...




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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2019, 19:13:22 »
Not sure if the Tapatalk link will get you there, but this is my build thread for my 10g nano that’s maturing pretty well so far.  I haven’t posted lately due to work and outdoor activities.

Ghurlag’s NUVO 10g
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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2019, 20:10:38 »
Your system is really nice.

Have you ever consider filter pads instead of socks?  I’ve started using them some and it’s a lot more convenient for me.

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2019, 20:40:10 »
Your system is really nice.

Have you ever consider filter pads instead of socks?  I’ve started using them some and it’s a lot more convenient for me.

This is a great idea. Would be so much easier to replace. May be able to cut it to fit down in the top area where the socks go.

I’m thinking something like this........I could make 4-5 replacement pads from one of these for relatively cheap.  I wonder how long they will last compared to a sock...do you have any experience using the pads over socks?...




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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2019, 00:10:11 »
Lots of options on how frequently to change socks/pads but I think the general consensus is 2-3 times per week. I think that’s why many quit using socks as that’s a lot of socks to go through.  If you’ve got 10 socks that’s only washing them once a month, but spouses don’t always like the washing machine being used for socks.

2-3 times is a relatively new finding as Bulk Reef Supply did some extensive testing with nutrient management as the goal.  I used to run socks until they over-flowed:). Similarly, If your nutrients aren’t a problem (Phosphate and Nitrate) you can run sock/pads for much longer. 

Now I use the disposable rolls, cut to size and change 2x/week in one of my frag system.  The other system is much more mature and I only occasionally use mechanical media.  I’ve used quilt batting, blue bonded, and the white bonded “premium” pads.  Quilt batting seems a little flimsy but it does work. Since you’ve got to reach way in there the blue bonded pads might be best as they’re less flimsy (blue side up)

About $20 to make 16 pads for me. 

If you google bonded blue filter pad you’ll get a bunch of options.


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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2019, 13:40:04 »
If you decide to go the filter floss route, https://www.pinkyfilters.com/ is where I have always bought mine. It is a great deal.

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2019, 18:52:41 »
Hey guys.

It has been a while since I've posted. I ran into some life situations that set me back some time. We have a newborn in the house now! ^-^.

My aquarium took the back burner while we were settling things out and preparing for a new child in the house. I'm going to run you guys through the events of the tank because at the moment I'm a bit confused and not sure where to pick back up with it. I'll start with were I left off....

At the end of July my tank finished cycling and I was sitting with a very high amount of Nitrates. About 60ppm. Just as my tank finished cycling and I was ready to change water, things got really busy for me and I never changed it :-\. The tank has been on auto pilot honestly, for about the last 3 months now. Surprisingly it has treated me really well within this time and never got ugly. Last weekend I finally got a chance to sit down and do some testing with it and see where I was at. This is where I became confused. My Nitrates disappeared. There's zero. I done a little reading and came across an article that mentioned if there's not an ammonia source after cycle that the beneficial bacteria would very quickly die off. So, what I did on the 18th of this month was started to ghost feed frozen mysis to see what would happen. My ammonia jumped up after a couple days to around 1.25 then fell back to nothing. This was with a half cube of frozen mysis per day. No Nitrite spike, no nitrates still. Monday night on the 21st I felt a little crazy and picked up a small yellow tail damsel to see how the tank would react with him and how he would react with the tank. He seems to be doing really well. Still today, No ammonia jump and no nitrates.

I'm stuck on what I should do at this point..

Should I do a water change? What happened to my nitrates? Should I expect a second cycle? This is the same water that I initially filled the tank with back close to 5 months ago. Again. It's still crystal clean and no algae minus the brown fuzzy substance on the rocks that showed up during my initial cycle. It's only in spots the light hits directly. Parts of my rock is still white in areas. Thanks for any help in advance, and I'm excited to be settled in and able to put fourth the time and effort required.


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2019, 18:57:19 »
Here's a pic of the tank tonight.....




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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2019, 21:05:55 »
You’re doing what most people don’t do.... go slow and be patient. I would stop ghost feeding and just feed what your damsel eats. No reason to have all that decaying matter in your system. You will see the nitrates start coming back up after a while. The reason your nitrates dropped is because you had some good anaerobic bacteria consuming the nitrates while your tank was fallow.

Just an FYI, yellow tail damsels can be very mean and territorial. Also, they’re extremely difficult to catch. Like tear the whole tank apart to catch them difficult

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2019, 22:33:08 »
You’re doing what most people don’t do.... go slow and be patient. I would stop ghost feeding and just feed what your damsel eats. No reason to have all that decaying matter in your system. You will see the nitrates start coming back up after a while. The reason your nitrates dropped is because you had some good anaerobic bacteria consuming the nitrates while your tank was fallow.

Just an FYI, yellow tail damsels can be very mean and territorial. Also, they’re extremely difficult to catch. Like tear the whole tank apart to catch them difficult


That makes sense why the nitrates have dropped. I think I was misinformed about the bacteria perishing without a food source. I was ghost feeding thinking that I no longer had any good bacteria since it sat for so long with nothing in it. I will no longer be ghost feeding it.  I've never heard the term fallow and wasn't sure how to research this. Like you said, not many people cycle the tank then do nothing with it lol.

The damsel is an azure damsel actually. Seems they are also quite temperamental. It was against my better judgment to pick him, really. I know enough to know damsels are a pain in the butt. In your opinion, do you think I should try and trap him now while there's not much in the tank? I really don't want to do that.....kinda like the little guy lol but, maybe not worth the headache. I'm not sure. Thanks for taking the time to reply. It was exactly what I needed to know.


Mike

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2019, 22:35:49 »
Congrats on the new baby.  +1 with what Jesse told you.  Your biological filter will increase and decrease according to the load you put onto it.  with just one fish there wont be a lot of load going to the bacteria. Just like what Jesse said going slow is a good thing.  You will learn as you go and not kill off a lot of fish or corals.  If you like the new fish let him go and see how it turns out.  You can always use the clubs fish trap later on if you start having issues with him.  If not a member the tools that are available to members are well worth the $10 club fee.
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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2019, 21:34:56 »
Thanks guys. Ammonia is on the rise. Today it tested at 0.50PPM. Wasn't a good day for me and the tank. Came home from work and my damsel was stuck in my overflow and very weak. Once I placed him back into the tank he had a difficult time swimming and ended up wedged into a rock crevice and couldn't get free. I had to move rock around and free him by hand. I was able to catch him and placed him into my sump where he wouldn't have as hard of a time swimming. From time to time I see him stuck against the baffle but he's able to remove himself from it and swims okay for a little bit. Not too sure he's going to make it. ugh. I can't place my finger on what could have caused it. Maybe the ammonia? Another thing I thought of was that I added an emerald crab with a few other cuc snails. I seen my damsel swim somewhat close to him a couple days ago and the crab acted like he was going to snag him out of the water. He wasn't too far off. I never thought that fish would be clumsy enough to get too close without being aware. Maybe the emerald caught the fish off guard while sleeping? Just spitballing.

Also, I need some advice. I'm attempting to install a system for water change from a station in my basement but again things aren't going as planned. I've found myself in a debacle. In short, I'm wanting to siphon the tank the old fashioned way then pump the new pre-made saltwater from a brute container from my basement into the sump. I didn't think it through enough. I have the system in place and a small test run reminded me back siphon is a bad thing lol. The pipe that comes from the basement was submerged into the water too deep at my sump and continued to siphon water from my sump back downstairs when I shut the pump off. Before I could wrap my head around what was happening and how to stop the siphon it drained quite a bit and threw my water out of whack. It's under control now. I shortened the pipe where it is not into the water at all now to eliminate any back siphon. The issue is within the brute container itself now.... The way the pump is situated in the brute it will never allow me to use every bit of pre made saltwater I have made. There will always be some left in the bottom. Aside from the pain in the butt of having to fine tune the salinity every time I mix a new batch, will I run into any issues with using what little bit of saltwater is left each time? I'm thinking maybe a drain at the bottom if I have to?

I'm not the greatest with explaining things very well or writing in general, but I hope you guys understand what i'm asking. Here's some pictures of what I have going on. Maybe someone can throw some tips in to help me out a little. Thanks guys.

Mike

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2019, 21:38:21 »
Here are a couple pictures. Hope it helps illustrate what I’m trying to accomplish...




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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2019, 06:19:31 »
Little guy is still hanging in there this morning. Still struggling though.

I’ve been thinking about it and the more I read and ponder on it. I can’t see the emerald crab grabbing him. I know emeralds can be pretty feisty sometimes but when I found him in my overflow there were no visible marks on him. I’m starting to lean towards ammonia poisoning. His behavior was very sporadic with short bursts and darting followed by heavy breathing and barely enough energy to escape the pull of my powerhead. I’m going to allow my emerald the benefit of the doubt here and keep a close eye on that little bugger. After receiving my CUC I was feeding the tank a bit heavier and I’m starting to believe that’s what my ammonia source is. Luckily I’m off work today with water made. I’m going to do a water change of around 30 gallons this morning to hopefully reduce some stress on him. That’s if he makes it that long.

This hobby doesn’t come easy to me.

Here he lay. In my sump. The top of his head is a little roughed up. That’s from me prying him from a rock crevice. He would have definitely died there had I not.




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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2019, 07:20:15 »
You need a water change ASAP. There are ammonia removal products available also. Ammonia will kill just about everything in your tank.
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2019, 10:30:17 »
+1 to what Jeff said. If you haven’t used any ammonia detoxifying products then the ammonia is burning his gills and starving him of oxygen. He will die without intervention, with an ammonia reading of .5. I would immediately get Seachem Prime and dose it to the recommendations. Might not be a bad idea to add some BioSpira bacteria as well.

You need a water change ASAP. There are ammonia removal products available also. Ammonia will kill just about everything in your tank.
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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2019, 10:45:33 »
Running a water change right now, then I’m going to make another batch and do it again. Can only change around 25 gallons at a time. Had to wait for the temp to get relatively close. Felt like forever. I don’t have any of that stuff on hand so doing the best with what I can. The closest shop to me doesn’t open until noon. I’ll ride up there and pick up some detox when they open. Fingers crossed.


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2019, 10:53:34 »
Cincinnati Coral opens at 11:00.
It's at the IKEA exit

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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2019, 12:24:02 »
@Keith92 I’m heading up to Cincinnati coral now. It’s about 25 min drive. Never been there. Need to kill some time while my second batch of water makes.

I just changed 30 gallons and my water change system worked so well. Took about 8 minutes start to finish.

I’m not sure how accurate of a reading it is just after a water change but it looks like I’ve made a somewhat  dent in the ammonia with the first WC. Way better than it was. It read a solid 0.50ppm last night.


Still some traces in there but I’m happy with the results so far.



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Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2019, 13:18:28 »
Just an FYI, API test kits are notorious for reading higher than 0 ammonia ALL the time.

Your test there looks really good. I would say that’s a definite 0!

So the WC fixed your problem for the moment, but it will go right back up until the nitrogenous bacteria build back up. That is where the Prime or BioSpira come in to play. Those two additives will stop the ammonia and nitrite from becoming toxic to the life in the system. Once added, you should be able to go thru the cycle again without harming inhabitants.
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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2019, 14:37:32 »
Damsel didn’t make it through the night last night. He was too far past the point of recovery. I added prime yesterday shortly after my water change. Tested water today...

Ammonia - 0 (would register even with being detoxified by the prime right?)
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - 0

I’m lost. I hate to complain about this but, my clean up crew is starving to death. There is absolutely zero algae growing. They are turning my rocks back to white lol. My skimmer is pulling out nothing at all. Should I turn it off? Part of me wants to try another fish. Should I give it a few days to see what the ammonia does or what?


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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2019, 15:44:57 »
A couple of salt water mollies might not be a bad idea. Fairly cheap too. Not sure if you bought any BioSpira yet, but I have used Fritz's bacteria in my quarantine system with good success. Be conscious of how much food you feed and less is always better than more, especially until you get your bacteria established.

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2019, 19:50:09 »
Damsel didn’t make it through the night last night. He was too far past the point of recovery. I added prime yesterday shortly after my water change. Tested water today...

Ammonia - 0 (would register even with being detoxified by the prime right?)
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - 0

I’m lost. I hate to complain about this but, my clean up crew is starving to death. There is absolutely zero algae growing. They are turning my rocks back to white lol. My skimmer is pulling out nothing at all. Should I turn it off? Part of me wants to try another fish. Should I give it a few days to see what the ammonia does or what?


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My experience is that the ammonia will not test higher than about .5 on an API test when prime or BioSpira are being used.

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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2019, 00:09:56 »
A couple of salt water mollies might not be a bad idea. Fairly cheap too. Not sure if you bought any BioSpira yet, but I have used Fritz's bacteria in my quarantine system with good success. Be conscious of how much food you feed and less is always better than more, especially until you get your bacteria established.

Hey Steve.

I ordered the refugium starter pack from AlgaeBarn.com a couple weeks ago and it came with Fritz Turbo Start. I used that but didn't quite have enough to add the recommended amount the bottle suggested. I'll run out and pick some more up tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure overfeeding is the main contributor to what I have going on now. Lesson learned there. I've started more than a few tanks between freshwater and saltwater and never really experienced anything like I have going on. That said, I've also never cycled a tank then let it sit dormant for 4 months before adding anything to it  :alas:. Hard for me to believe that didn't have any ill effect on the bacteria that was established from my initial cycle. From a numbers standpoint, I couldn't ask for better water parameters right now. Maybe a slightly higher NO3, but I could easily eat my words on that I think lol. My zoa frag doesn't seem to mind. The colors are vibrant and I have noticed new growth. Again, I could very well regret saying this but I have zero algae growth and it's a little troublesome. Lack of bioload?

I'm going to add a fish tomorrow. I'm not too keen on the mollies personally. Is there a specific reason you recommend them? Cheap and hardy? I was thinking start on the docile side of my stocking list. Maybe a dartfish or yellow head jawfish. I wan't to discuss my stocking wish list and I have one planned but I'll get to that when the time seems right. One step at a time. Thanks, Steve.


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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2019, 01:43:49 »
Hey guys.

Stopping in here to give an update. October 30th was my last.

November 1st I picked up an orange spotted goby and tiger pistol shrimp. Fish is doing great, and I haven’t seen the pistol shrimp since I added it lol. I’ve been adding Seed brand bacteria since the 4th following the instructions on the bottle. Today was my last day.

Caught my emerald crab grab a piece of my green eye cyphastrea. Didn’t do much damage at all. This was his first offense as I watch him like a hawk. Immediately snatched him up and threw him into sump. He’s in jail as my 8 year old says lol. He will be in there until he passes or maybe give him to anyone interested (any takers?). That trust is gone. It’s a shame really. He added character to the tank and the family really liked him. I did  too.

Also picked up some frags on the 3rd thanks to @heinbaughb. From what I understand, they aren’t the best beginner species lol, but so far seem to be doin really well.

I’ve been monitoring ammonia daily and so far everything looks good, but I’m not sure how much the bacteria affected the results, if any. I’ll continue to monitor the next few days and periodically after that to make sure it’s all good.

My tank seems as if it’s sterile. I’m feeding as small of an amount as I can so my goby can pick some up. Once every 2 days. I’m feeding what I would call about 1/8th cube of frozen mysis. Even with my pumps off the food doesn’t make its way down to where my goby chills easily. He won’t work too hard for the food so I have to make sure there’s enough that floats by him. He’s lazy lol. I need to get some sinking pellets and try those.

I’ve also been adding some phytoplankton that came with my pods from algaebarn. I’ve been pretty conservative with this stuff as I have read some negative  results, but wanted to increase the chances of my new pods surviving. One of the big complaints I have seen is that it adds phosphates. This brings me to what I’ve been wondering about the past few days...

I use API testing as of now (I know, I know). It can’t detect at very low levels for any test. My phosphates are undetectable on the tests, and nitrates are also undetectable. If my memory serves me well, don’t corals need some amount of each to really do well? It’s also concerning because everything I read about dinoflagellates is never let your phosphate or nitrate reach zero. Another common contributing factor for them is simply a new tank/immature rock. I’ve seen too many thread topics on dinos and have read too many horror stories. To be frank, I’m terrified of dinos and I’m sitting with a tank that screams dinos lol.

My skimmer doesn’t seem to be pulling much out and my chaeto is alive but not growing. That, along with zero algae growth and low levels has me wondering if my filtration process is too strong as of now. Is this possible? I’m on a water change schedule of 25 gallons weekly. Roughly 100 gallon system.

I’m going to pick up some new test kits and see if I can measure anything in the low range that my API can’t see. What do you guys recommend as far as testing equipment?

For the sake of.....idk..here’s what API says:

Ammo - 0
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - 0
Salinity - 35ppt
pH (day) - 8.0 (why so low?)
pH (night) - 7.5 (why so low?)
Calcium - 380
Dkh - 7
Magnesium - No test




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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2019, 01:55:47 »
To show my appreciation for those of you that had to endure my lengthy writing style (and those that skip it lol) ....Here’s some coral pics...




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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2019, 13:07:34 »
Mike,

I’ve had a bit of similar trouble with my little pico tank as far as nutrients getting out of whack.  In my case this is my third tank in a decade, so I’m able to be somewhat patient, but it’s funny how each tank behaves differently.

It seems to me you’re doing everything right as far as patience and being aware what is going on with the your tank.  It takes a good bit to stabilize an ecosystem, about a year on average from what I’ve seen.  As your live rock matured things will stabilize.

Good luck!  We need to get together sometime soon since we’re in the same town!


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Re: Mike’s New-ish 90 Gallon Journey
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2019, 19:43:10 »
Nice write up Mike. If you haven't already, adding another fish or 2 will help kick start more bacteria and get it going with a few nutrients that the corals will need. With that water change schedule, I don't think adding more food will cause you any problems.

 

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