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Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« on: February 09, 2017, 08:46:43 »
I read this thread last night: http://ohioreef.com/index.php?topic=20933.new#new  and all associated threads from it.

In a last ditch effort to save my tank from being torn down and me quitting the hobby (i'm at that point pretty much now); i'm going togive this treatment a try.

I'm still not sure what my tank has is bryopsis, but this stuff is tenacious and tricky; i've been manually removing it for months and the problem just seems to be getting worse.  It is compounded by a bubble algae issue, that was under control and almost completely eliminated, but when the algae started to take over the rocks it gave the bubble algae a nice place to hide and grow and also get completely out of control.  So 2 huge issues, one compounding the other.  Bubble algae i can handle, i've gotten rid of it before, i could do it again.  This green grassy crap is too much.

So, the tank is a 40g breeder with a 20g sump (half filled)
I run a skimmer
My light schedule was 8-6 but i decreased it to 10-5 i believe.  I also heightened my lights away from the tank as an added attempt to control the growth of the algae. 
I feed my 6 fish once a day on frozen food (LRS food); i was feeding twice but again, trying to put less nutrients into the tank.

I will order the meds today and start the trial as soon as they come in.

If i've got 50g roughly, i'd need to dose...1000 mg.

Here's the extent of the problem







Can anyone tell me if this is actually bryopsis or gha? 

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2017, 09:25:36 »
looks like a mixture of both to me

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2017, 10:10:01 »
looks like a mixture of both to me

Awesome, of course its a mix of both :D

The meds have shipped!

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 09:58:24 »
Meds have arrived!!

So let me just double check.

I'm dosing 1000mg to my tank.  Does it matter how much water i mix the powder with?

Turning the lights off for 1 days?  more?

Skimmer off for a week, carbon out for a week.  Then back on?  or longer?


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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 10:37:12 »
I am on day 3 and my bryopsis is melting away.  turning white and crumbling, just like everyone else's.  Here is what I did

I left my lights on it's normal cycle.  no change.  I think the light helps the process.  Leave them on
I left my skimmer run, no change there.
I have turned off my carbon reactor
I left my GFO running

I believe the carbon removes medication, so I will leave that off for the duration of the medicating.
The GFO doesn't harm it, it will only help with the small spike in phosphates.

As for water amount, doesn't matter.  I used a cup of water and dissolved as much as I could.  Poured it in the front of a power head.  The water will remain cloudy for no more than an hour.  It will clear up and you won;t ever know you medicated the water.

It's still a crap shoot on whether the dosing is too much, or if all the reactors/skimmers need to be turned off or not.  people are trying different things to see what happens.  But I left everything on but Carbon and I haven't seen any negative effects.  Just takes time, now sit back and relax.  It's gotta go 10-14 days.

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 10:40:42 »
I also read that some people are having luck with the green hair algae disappearing.  I don't have any, so I can't add to that discovery.

Some are also dosing Vibrant at the same time for the GHA, but from what I understand it causes a bad cyano breakout.  I am not using anything except this flucon, so far so good.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 11:08:37 »
Great.  I'll start the process when i get home from work. 

I'll take out the carbon as i just have it in a bag, i don't have any kind of reactors. 

Are you manually removing the dead bryopsis?  I really don't want the valve on my main overflow to clog.

After 10-14 days then do a water change like normal?  Can i add new water during that time?  I don't dose anymore and have been relying on weekly water changes to keep levels stable.

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2017, 11:23:58 »
I am not removing the bryopsis.  I don't have a lot, so it just crumbles and falls apart.  I don't ever see it once it does that.
Hopefully someone that has a lot can chime in on that.

After the 10-14 days comes and goes, your bry should be gone.....should be.  Once it is completely gone, you'll need to do the water change and get your carbon back in. If you can wait the 10-14 days before doing a water change, do so. 

If you're parameter levels start dropping drastically that starts to make you nervous, then you'd have no choice to do that water change.  Maybe if you do a small amount if needed, it might hold you over till treatment is done.  I normally do a water change every two weeks, so by the time my treatment is done, I should be on schedule for the next water change.

I am not experienced at this at all, I am only going by what I read on that other forum. I wasn't comfortable turning the skimmer and GFO off, so I tweaked that, hoping for the best :)

All my livestock and coral are all happy.  No one seems phased by this treatment.

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 01:46:18 »
8 days in on my treatment and it's all gone and the gha is almost gone too !!!

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 07:36:43 »
awesome!!

I'm on day 5.  All the bryopsis I could see is gone.  It's starting to work on some other type of green algae.  Not sure what kind it is, but it's turning white.

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 08:38:26 »
That's great Lngliv3!

I'm on day 3 and seeing no change so far.

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 08:48:57 »
Im on day 13.  My GHA is virtually all but gone.  Whats left is totally gray and falling off in clumps now.  I have to keep removing it from my filter sock as I don't want it decaying and adding nutrients to the tank. 

It works slower on GHA than bryopsis as documented. And, it works faster on GHA that is well lit vs GHA that is in a darker area.

I added another full dose on day 10 as I still had some that was not showing signs of going away. Primarily in the shaded areas. in 3 days it is now all gray.

I plan on doing a 30% WC next Friday.

Going to put GFO back on line in a day or two just to make sure I don't get a spike.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 10:49:35 »
Glad its working out well for your tank.

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 09:50:15 »
Heres a question about this process.

From what I can see, my bryopsis is gone.  All of it.

Do I let it run the 10-14 day routine, or is it safe to stop it now since I don't see the bry anymore?

I'd like to do a water change and get back to my normal routine.  but certainly don't want ot have to do this again later, due to stopping prematurely

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2017, 10:06:24 »
Heres a question about this process.

From what I can see, my bryopsis is gone.  All of it.

Do I let it run the 10-14 day routine, or is it safe to stop it now since I don't see the bry anymore?

I'd like to do a water change and get back to my normal routine.  but certainly don't want ot have to do this again later, due to stopping prematurely
Personally, I would run it the full course to ensure all roots are gone. May be some you just can't see


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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2017, 10:08:14 »
I'm on day 5 and am seeing no difference at all, nothing.  Maybe a bit more red clingy algae on the sand but nothing else. 

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2017, 10:15:13 »
Vicki - even at day 5???  I wonder if you never had bryopsis mixed in all that GHA>  maybe?  GHA does take longer, but you are not seeing any white by day 5?  I'd let it go for 10-14 days.  Maybe there isn't bry in there as we thought.  Eventually the flucon will attack the GHA.  It'll take awhile though.

how many gallons is your system (including sump) and how much flucon did you dose?  Did you buy the capsules or the tablets?

mtamorrow - I was thinking the same thing.  Just want to get back to normal, so I can begin dosing alk :)
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2017, 11:21:42 »
I'm on day 5 and am seeing no difference at all, nothing.  Maybe a bit more red clingy algae on the sand but nothing else. 

Did you possibly have something in the tank that removed the fluconazole such as carbon.

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2017, 13:19:14 »
I don't believe anyone stopped dosing. I haven't. Just no carbon. I pulled my skimmer cup the first few days but that's it. Everything else is my normal routine except no WC.


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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2017, 13:26:30 »
I second that, sort of.  I only removed my Carbon.  Left skimmer and GFO running and my bryopsis disappeared.

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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2017, 22:06:36 »
crankbait,  Day 5.  no change at all :(  Maybe it is all GHA.  my whole system is around 50g, i only half fill the 20g sump.  i got capsules which i emptied into water.  I dosed 1000mg.

Lazy, i took the bag of carbon out before i dosed, skimmer was off for 3 days too.  Lights were left on normal cycle.  Theres nothing else that could be messing with the meds. 

I have noticed that 2 nerites have died... which seems odd since no one else reported any snail death.  Everything else is fine though, fish are good (even broken jaw fish) and corals are good. 

If theres nothing happening at all by sunday i might do a little manual removal to help things along.

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2017, 23:48:33 »
hm....interesting.  For nothing to turn white, makes me think it's something other than bryopsis.
I think others were treating the GHA with vibrant in conjunction with flucon.  maybe try that as well?  Beware of the cyano outbreak though.

im on day 7 and my non bryopsis algae is starting to turn white.  so the flucon is doing something to it.

maybe someone else can chime in on this


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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2017, 08:59:42 »
Hang in there. Don't manually remove as the fluconazole works it's way to the root. I didn't see significant progress on GHA until maybe bay 8 or 9. I then did a 2nd full dose on day 12. I'm on day 17 and mine is either gone or what's left is all white. I have done no manual removal. I'm taking off next Friday to do a 30% WC. that would be day 23 for me. GHA is taking longer than bryopsis so just be patient for


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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2017, 20:01:59 »
day... something.  i am starting to see changes to the, what i assume is GHA, the edges are looking frayed and crispy.

i'll let it go until day 10-14, regardless of how much algae goes away.  I go out of the country for 5 days in about 2 weeks and would like a few was in before i go.  i can always do a second dose when i get back to finish off what's left over.  It'll give the tank a chance to rest before a further treatment.

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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2017, 21:09:51 »
Sounds promising.

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2017, 18:29:01 »
I am on day 11.  I came home to zero bryopsis and zero green algae that was growing on the rocks.  Still not sure exactly what was on the rocks, but it had to be some form of the green.  it wasn't hairy.
Doesn't matter, I will continue till friday (day 14), and do a water change and get things back to normal.

If it doesn't ever come back, this flucon is amazing.

teach me to ever buy a frag with anything, other than coral, growing from it.

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« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2017, 20:51:34 »
Hi Vicki, are you seeing any better reaults?

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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2017, 13:51:13 »
I'll jump in here, Today is my 14th day and from what I can tell, all my bry/algae is long gone.  So I will attempt to do a water change and get my carbon back on line tonight.
Let's hope it never re-appears.

mtamorrow, did you conclude your treatment?  all gone?

vicki - as lazy mentioned, where do you stand?


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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2017, 15:14:59 »
I started treatment on my 90 gallon display on Monday and my 75 gallon frag tank yesterday.  Too soon to expect any changes but I will keep updates coming.  I ordered more fluconazole in case I need to add another dose.  Left skimmers running in both tanks with GFO and filter sock in display tank.
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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2017, 18:09:03 »
It took me 2 full doses and 4 weeks. Just did a 33% WC today and added a bag of carbon. No more GHA!


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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2017, 11:04:22 »
Update on my tanks.  The algae in the display tank has begun whitening and coming loose from the rock.  Filter sock is half full.  Still a lot of algae left but hopefully that is dying.  Frag tank has bubbles forming and coming off the algae.  Will update again when all algae is gone or re-dose is necessary.

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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2017, 16:18:34 »
Sounds promising.

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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2017, 17:09:26 »
Anyone know what happened to Vicki?

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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2017, 13:27:39 »
Any further updates from anyone? I'm thinking of trying this also. I have some algae that just will not go away. I can knock it back and it's not getting worse but just keeps hanging on.

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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2017, 14:25:01 »
Any further updates from anyone? I'm thinking of trying this also. I have some algae that just will not go away. I can knock it back and it's not getting worse but just keeps hanging on.
What kind of algae do you have?


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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2017, 15:29:16 »
I'm not 100 percent sure but my best guess is bryopsis. It looks like hair algae from a distance but up close it is branched and the branches have fine "hairs" on them. I have dealt with hair algae before and this is definitely different from any previous algae I have dealt with. It came in on a frag plug from a swap over a year ago and I have been battling it since. I doubled my frequency on water changes and got more aggressive with my gfo. This has definitely helped I think especially the gfo but it will just not die out.

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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2017, 15:34:02 »
That's exactly how my bryopsis was introduced to my tank, a frag plug.
Won't be buying coral from that LFS again :), regardless if I know how to get rid of bryopsis now, not the point :)


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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2017, 15:35:56 »
I'm not 100 percent sure but my best guess is bryopsis. It looks like hair algae from a distance but up close it is branched and the branches have fine "hairs" on them. I have dealt with hair algae before and this is definitely different from any previous algae I have dealt with. It came in on a frag plug from a swap over a year ago and I have been battling it since. I doubled my frequency on water changes and got more aggressive with my gfo. This has definitely helped I think especially the gfo but it will just not die out.
Ok. I had GHA and it's was gone w 2 doses/4 weeks. Haven't seen it come back. Eradicates bryopsis faster than GHA. No ill side effects posted on any forum I follow.  Only a bunch of happy people!


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« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2017, 17:33:32 »
well, I am close to 2 months since being bryopsis free.  The other day I took a gander in my tank and noticed my bryopsis has returned.  same exact spot, but this time, it has grown back 2-3 times as fast, than it ever has.  I am not quite sure why.

The only change that i have done within the last 2 months, is that i began dosing to get my alkalinity up.  right now its hovering below low 9's and high 8's.

obviously its not going to disappear, so i will need to does the flucon again.

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« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2017, 19:04:34 »
I dosed 6,000mg on Sunday. No negative symptoms so far.

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« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2017, 22:07:26 »
I dosed on the 28. No ill effects. There has definitely been a dye back of algae, other spots are hanging on. I'm hoping for some further dye off in the next week, but it has definitely had an effect on it.

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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2017, 00:49:44 »
Thats great wrassel. Not to many problem solvers in this hobby with no negative effects
I noticed tonight the algae has a white look to it on the tips and is easy to pull off. I also saw some floating in water column so it is detaching on its own. Phosphate was a little higher, guessing from die off so i added some gfo.

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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2017, 00:56:31 »
Just a note I left my gfo, skimmer, and lights on the regular schedule. I only took the carbon offline. The skimmer is pulling way more than normal now. I'm guessing from the die off and breakdown of the algea. My gfo was about 2/3 used when I started so I need to add a new batch now also.

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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2017, 01:36:47 »
What kind of algae are you treating for?
I get some filimiant type algae that my clean up crew doesnt like. Also uvla which everything loves to eat but it gets in places tangs cant get to and doesnt look nice.

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« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2017, 11:34:18 »
I'm not 100 percent sure what I have. It looks like hair algea at a distance but it is branched. To me it is not the text book bryopsis, but nothing that I have tried for the last year would totally kill it out. It has taken a big hit from the treatment but is definitely not gone yet.

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« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2017, 21:54:59 »
5 days in and 75% gone. Still no negative effects. This stuff is AWESOME!

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« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2017, 13:05:44 »
Where did you guys order from?

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« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2017, 13:11:33 »
I ordered from here:  https://www.payless-petproducts.com/fluconazole200.html: but I believe Lazy was going to get some.
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« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2017, 13:33:23 »
The algae is gone for me. I will likely do another dose in a few weeks just to be sure.

I ordered from here:  https://www.payless-petproducts.com/fluconazole200.html: but I believe Lazy was going to get some.
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I have it in stock for $2 a pill for those local to me.

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« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2017, 22:54:13 »
I'm about 16 days in now. I would say my algea is 90% gone. There are a few patches that are weakened but not totally dead yet. I'm going to hold off on a water change another week. The only thing that died besides my target was some calcified algea that had begun growing in the tank. No loss since I had to trim this back regularly but it turned white and died after the medication was added. This has definitely been a great tool. I may consider a second dose a week or so after I do a water change just to try and kill everything completely. I guess I will see how it goes over the next few weeks.

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« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2017, 09:34:22 »
This stuff is the real deal.....
Stopped by KellyJ house the other day and was amazed on the results. To be honest Kelly I thought you were fighting a lost cause but your patience paid off. Don't know if you have before and after Pic's but I'm sure other would like to see the results.

Wrassel how your tank looking

And does anyone know what happened to Vicki whom stared the thread....hope she didn't give up on her battle.   

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« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2017, 09:40:34 »
I have almost no algea left. There are a couple spots that are definitely weak and reduced by 80% but still a small amount of "stubble" left. I have ran mine for about 3 weeks without a water change and no ill effects. I battled this stuff for a year and this has been great. My only thing is waiting to see if any comes back. I have debated on a second treatment a few weeks after I do a water change just to try and make sure it is completely dead. Guess I will monitor closely for any new growth. But it definitely works.

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« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2017, 09:42:08 »
Chris (thepipbull) is right.  I don't have any before/after pictures to post but this stuff worked amazingly.  I only dosed one time and almost dosed a second but waited it out.  Algae in the shadows was last to go.
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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2017, 09:49:37 »
Great news as you all know there are so many snake oil treatments that come out its so exciting when something actually works as expected 

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2017, 17:20:07 »
Just curious, what effect if any does this stuff have on coraline? Just making sure that no ill effects includes coraline.

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2017, 17:24:00 »
Zero effect on corraline

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2017, 17:25:36 »
The only thing that died in my tank besides target algae was some calcified algea that was just a hitchhiker. I did not see any other affects to anything.

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2017, 15:32:00 »
for those of you that did more than one treatment, how long did you wait after the first dose, before doing the next?

my bryopsis came back faster/heavier volume than before.  SO I am getting ready to start dosing over again, followed by a second dose later

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2017, 15:34:09 »
I went 14 days between doses


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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2017, 16:25:11 »
I am on day 8 of the first treatment, what ill effect could I have leaving the skimmer off for all 14 days?  I haven't had it running since day 1

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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2017, 17:09:58 »
Leave skimmer on. No problem. After you're done, do a 20% wc


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Re: Trial treatment with fluconazole- 40g breeder
« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2017, 07:30:00 »
I left my skimmer on the entire time I was treating with fluconazole.  It still worked on my algae with the skimmer on.
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