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Offline kattz

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Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« on: May 19, 2011, 23:38:16 »
When we set up a buy from one of our vendors, and members state that they want something, then please have the decency to buy what you asked for.  During a recent group buy on salt, a GREAT sponsor of the club was burned by over 20 buckets of salt not being picked up after being reserved, without even so much as a call to say, "sorry, not gonna get it".  This is inexcusable, and a great way to lose sponsors.  This kind of activity really makes us look bad and sponsors just might take their $ elsewhere.

Kev
90g SPS and LPS reef tank, 35g sump, ceramic rock by The Alternative Reef, Neptune Apex w 2 X EB8's, Moonlight module, ATI Sunpower Dimmable 8 X 39W T5's, Octopus Extreme 160 skimmer, PM Kalkwasser Reactor, 2 X Vortech MP40's, Geo 618 Ca reactor


Various thriving montipora, acropora, stylopora, wellsophyllia, blastomussa, hammer, anchor, and frogspawn, lobophyllia, rhizotrychus, pavona, scroll, and pagoda SPS and LPS corals, but no fish because I was too stupid to QT...

Offline DarinSchmidt

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 00:01:38 »
maybe a collection of money should be made before obligating the sponsor to get the products from now on?

Offline Boonjob

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2011, 00:05:11 »
wow 20 buckets of salt? ouch, though I figure a vendor would collect funds down before ordering in such a large shipment.

I guess I also want to know where was I on this group buy rofl I need salt too!!!
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Offline Kenn

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2011, 00:13:35 »
Did the sponsor complain ?
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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 01:32:53 »
which sponser? what kind of salt? and how much per bucket I am sure we all could use some and take it and help them out.

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 02:07:15 »
no doubt. i wouldnt mind buying some salt, maybe a couple buckets.

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 12:24:40 »
I need salt right now. Looking for a good deal on four buckets of Reef Crystals.

Offline Viggen

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 12:34:46 »
I also never saw anything on a group buy for salt.  I think I have 3 buckets in the garage but depending on which salt & the price I could use more
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Offline Boonjob

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 12:46:12 »
I want salt aswell if it's reef crystals
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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2011, 18:01:31 »
first, vendors  have been able to take members at their word, so for the most part. the items are not prepaid.  That's a little thing called integrity.  Call Rich at the Coral Ranch and inquire as to what he has left.  Yes, there was a complaint.  this went down about two months ago.
90g SPS and LPS reef tank, 35g sump, ceramic rock by The Alternative Reef, Neptune Apex w 2 X EB8's, Moonlight module, ATI Sunpower Dimmable 8 X 39W T5's, Octopus Extreme 160 skimmer, PM Kalkwasser Reactor, 2 X Vortech MP40's, Geo 618 Ca reactor


Various thriving montipora, acropora, stylopora, wellsophyllia, blastomussa, hammer, anchor, and frogspawn, lobophyllia, rhizotrychus, pavona, scroll, and pagoda SPS and LPS corals, but no fish because I was too stupid to QT...

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2011, 18:22:34 »
To start I want to say Rich is a great sponsor and bends over backwards for items I need.

But after looking into the sale post I hope he didnt stick himself with excess stock..


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Quote from Rich:

We were told that they only had about a pallet of RSCP left so we went down and gragged it today.So if you ordered salt it is here and if you did not but would like to we have quite a bit. Seachem and Brightwell are here also.


Pulled from this post:  http://www.ohioreef.com/index.php?topic=10274.0

« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 18:37:49 by Kenn »
Currently doing a 75g build | http://ohioreef.com/index.php?topic=16275.0| tanks of the past : 26g Bowfront LPS and Fish| http://www.ohioreef.com/index.php?topic=4858.0 || 37g a little of everything | http://www.ohioreef.com/index.php?topic=7751.0

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2011, 21:47:18 »
His complaint was specific to several club members who were no-shows/no calls after making the requests and the stock came in.  He complained to me and I told the BOD about it, but we let it slide due to a lack of evidence.  I overheard one of our members at the frag swap talking about what a great deal he got from someone else on the forum and didn't go and pick up the other salt.  This has been nagging me since. 

For those of you who don't know him, Rich is probably one of the nicest people you could meet, knows what he's talking about, and his prices are very reasonable. 
We need to look after our sponsors.

 
90g SPS and LPS reef tank, 35g sump, ceramic rock by The Alternative Reef, Neptune Apex w 2 X EB8's, Moonlight module, ATI Sunpower Dimmable 8 X 39W T5's, Octopus Extreme 160 skimmer, PM Kalkwasser Reactor, 2 X Vortech MP40's, Geo 618 Ca reactor


Various thriving montipora, acropora, stylopora, wellsophyllia, blastomussa, hammer, anchor, and frogspawn, lobophyllia, rhizotrychus, pavona, scroll, and pagoda SPS and LPS corals, but no fish because I was too stupid to QT...

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2011, 21:53:38 »
His complaint was specific to several club members who were no-shows/no calls after making the requests and the stock came in.  He complained to me and I told the BOD about it, but we let it slide due to a lack of evidence.  I overheard one of our members at the frag swap talking about what a great deal he got from someone else on the forum and didn't go and pick up the other salt.  This has been nagging me since. 

For those of you who don't know him, Rich is probably one of the nicest people you could meet, knows what he's talking about, and his prices are very reasonable. 
We need to look after our sponsors.

Thanks for clarifying Kev. If thats the case I'm in complete agreement with you. that was just wrong. Rich is too good of a person to do that to.
Currently doing a 75g build | http://ohioreef.com/index.php?topic=16275.0| tanks of the past : 26g Bowfront LPS and Fish| http://www.ohioreef.com/index.php?topic=4858.0 || 37g a little of everything | http://www.ohioreef.com/index.php?topic=7751.0

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."   < K >

Offline Reefpete

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Re: Group buy ethical (and possibly legal) obligations
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2011, 09:18:44 »
Thanks for clarifying Kev. If thats the case I'm in complete agreement with you. that was just wrong. Rich is too good of a person to do that to.
+1, unfortunately I haven't had the honor of meet rich or visiting the coral ranch (yet)! From everything I've read and heard from darn near everyone, this is no way to treat anyone let alone someone who is a sponsor! Near sickening to hear! I don't use quite the amount of salt as most (only due to small tank size, and very low livestock), but I could use a bucket. What I am currently using was recommended to me, but have since found that I don't really care for it.

 

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