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Offline gthorpe2

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Poison Dart Frogs
« on: August 10, 2011, 17:42:17 »
As some of you may know, I am an amature poison dart frog collector/breeder.  I've been asked so many questions from people that are interested I decided I would make a post about them.  Here you can ask, share, or even gain knowledge on PDFs.  I've gotten alot of my knowledge from breeders, websites, and just from experience.

Most questions I get are, "Are they poisonious? What do they eat? Can I touch them? Where do you get them? Can I own them?"  I will try my best to answer all these questions and more.

"Are they poisonious?"  Yes and No;  They are poisonious in the wild but in captivite they are NOT poisonious.  They get there poison from insects/diet they eat in the wild.  In captivite, they can eat wingless fruit flies, bean beetles, springtails, flour beetles, just to name a few.

"Can I touch them?"  NO!!!;  It is not recommended to hold or "play" with PDFs.  It will stress them out, and they could potenially die.

"Where do you get them?"  I purchase mine from local breeders. But PDFs orginate from the rainforests in South America.

"Can I own one?"  of course;  Anyone can own them as long as they are housed in a controlled environment just like saltwater fish.  PDF have to have certain temps and humidity which humidity has to stay above 80% and temp no lower than 70 degrees at night.

"How many can I have in a tank?"; The rule of thumb is 1 frog per 5 gallons.  So, if you have a 20g tank you could have 4 frogs.

I have had serval types of PDFs including Azureus, Patricas, and Bakhuis.  I've had beginners to experts frogs and find that the easier the care, the beautiful they are.

What do you need to start your PDF tank?
10g tank
glass lid
LECA balls (used in hydrophonics)
Substrate (mix between ochrid bark and a block of the compressed dirt)
Live plants (Moss, Broms, etc.)
Food (Fruit Flies)
Let it "cycle" for about two weeks then add the PDFs.

Below are some of the websites I have gotten my knowledge from and purchased stuff from.  There is a local breeder in Columbus that doesn't have a website but is always at the local reptile shows.

www.Dendroboard.com
www.Joshsfrogs.com
www.Blackjungle.com

If anyone has any questions about PDFs you can post here or PM me.

I will try and get some pictures of my current frogs up in the next day or so.  I don't have any froglets or tadpoles yet but with in the next year when the frogs become mature I should have some.

If anyone needs help putting a tank together I would be more than happy to help.  I don't charge anything as long as you have all the supplies, but a frag would be cool.

Hope this helps out some of those questions.

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Re: Poison Dart Frogs
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 19:04:19 »
Thank you!  :-ThumbUpsm

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2011, 19:43:46 »
Hello!  I am new to your site just today.  I live in Troy and I am a PDF breeder as well.  I have some of my animals available at Aquatic Specialist here in Troy.  I also am selling built Vivarium tanks too through the store.  I can also help someone to build one if they need it local.  If you are close to or have not been into Aquatic Specialists in awhile, come on in and see what they have.  I will be willing to do whatever I can to assist anyone in setting up and maintaining a vivarium for PDFs.  Thank You.

Wes

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2011, 20:56:59 »
Great to know! Thank you

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Re: Poison Dart Frogs
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2011, 11:49:39 »
Welcome to the site Dendroman.. love the handle
Good post gthorpe thanks for sharing

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2011, 12:01:02 »
Hello!  I am new to your site just today.  I live in Troy and I am a PDF breeder as well.  I have some of my animals available at Aquatic Specialist here in Troy.  I also am selling built Vivarium tanks too through the store.  I can also help someone to build one if they need it local.  If you are close to or have not been into Aquatic Specialists in awhile, come on in and see what they have.  I will be willing to do whatever I can to assist anyone in setting up and maintaining a vivarium for PDFs.  Thank You.

Wes

Welcome to the club. I am building a tank for my son's FBT. When he gets older I am probably going to build a new tank for PDF's. My wife has wanted a blue ( don't remember the ame) PDF for a long time.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2011, 12:19:51 »
Welcome to the club. I am building a tank for my son's FBT. When he gets older I am probably going to build a new tank for PDF's. My wife has wanted a blue ( don't remember the ame) PDF for a long time.

Dendrobates azureus?

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Re: Poison Dart Frogs
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2011, 13:31:11 »
man i dont need to get back in to this hobby again 
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2011, 13:43:10 »
I think these things are awesome, I have always wanted one, but was afraid someone would go touching it and become ill(didn't know they aren't poisonous in captivity)... I may have to look into getting one... Quick question... do they stink? I personally can not stand the smell that certain reptiles give off, which is the major reason I have never owned any
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Re: Poison Dart Frogs
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2011, 14:22:28 »
Dendrobates azureus?

And here I thought it was Dendrophyllia Coral

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2011, 16:42:36 »
man i dont need to get back in to this hobby again 

IMHO it was cheaper that a reef tank by far!

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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2011, 16:47:24 »
I think these things are awesome, I have always wanted one, but was afraid someone would go touching it and become ill(didn't know they aren't poisonous in captivity)... I may have to look into getting one... Quick question... do they stink? I personally can not stand the smell that certain reptiles give off, which is the major reason I have never owned any
I never found them to stink. Very small reptiles, even smaller food, and tiny poop! lol The toxin that they have in the wild only is from the plant life and the food that they consume in the wild

Most questions I get are, "Are they poisonious? What do they eat? Can I touch them? Where do you get them? Can I own them?"  I will try my best to answer all these questions and more.
"Are they poisonious?"  Yes and No;  They are poisonious in the wild but in captivite they are NOT poisonious.  They get there poison from insects/diet they eat in the wild.  In captivite, they can eat wingless fruit flies, bean beetles, springtails, flour beetles, just to name a few.


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Re: Poison Dart Frogs
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2011, 17:33:43 »
I have never had any on them cause an odor issue.  I have a breeding pair of the blue azureus, a pair of the green and black, a pair of tinctorius patricia and a trio of vittatus.

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2011, 17:39:59 »
I have never had any on them cause an odor issue.  I have a breeding pair of the blue azureus, a pair of the green and black, a pair of tinctorius patricia and a trio of vittatus.

What would be your recommendation for "beginner" PDF's? I have a choice between the fallowing aquariums to use for their enclosure 30L, 38, and a 40 breeder. Any suggestions? Are you on Dendroboard?

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Re: Poison Dart Frogs
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2011, 18:09:03 »
is this the one u want  mike?
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2011, 18:09:24 »
I have a 10gal that I may need to use
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2011, 18:11:07 »
What plants would you suggest, I really love the look of the pic above
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2011, 19:03:19 »
What plants would you suggest, I really love the look of the pic above

www.Blackjungle.com this is a great place to look at plants

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2011, 19:32:10 »
Yep thats the one. After connors new tank is done I may look into building a tank for these guys.

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Re: Poison Dart Frogs
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2011, 19:43:05 »
www.Blackjungle.com this is a great place to look at plants

thanks for the link pete...

I have a choice between the fallowing aquariums to use for their enclosure 30L, 38, and a 40 breeder.

How about you let me get one of those tanks for these guys


I want a frog like this

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=poison+dart+frog&view=detail&id=9DF6FD41F28B6D2F1F5B14487D931CA9CF412180&first=0&qpvt=poison+dart+frog&FORM=IDFRIR
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2011, 21:05:19 »
Which one would you want BJ?

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2011, 23:07:15 »
Not really sure, I have a 10 gallon but I think making a mini waterfall with plants and "downed limbs" and such would be cool, but my 10 isn't tall enough for all that.


Will these guys favor a tall tank over a wide one etc? I guess I need to do so more research I'm pretty excited about it now haha, tie me over until I can figure out a new reef setup
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2011, 23:10:54 »
Check this site out for a lot of info.


http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/

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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2011, 23:12:56 »
Oh lord not another hobby related forum board... I will add it to my rounds, thanks mike  :-ThumbUpsm
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2011, 23:42:31 »
We're looking at a tank from Dendroman.  His work is awesome to say the least.
90g SPS and LPS reef tank, 35g sump, ceramic rock by The Alternative Reef, Neptune Apex w 2 X EB8's, Moonlight module, ATI Sunpower Dimmable 8 X 39W T5's, Octopus Extreme 160 skimmer, PM Kalkwasser Reactor, 2 X Vortech MP40's, Geo 618 Ca reactor


Various thriving montipora, acropora, stylopora, wellsophyllia, blastomussa, hammer, anchor, and frogspawn, lobophyllia, rhizotrychus, pavona, scroll, and pagoda SPS and LPS corals, but no fish because I was too stupid to QT...

 

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