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Klosterman

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Brown Algae
« on: October 07, 2009, 20:42:01 »
I have brown algae growing in my tank cant seem to get rid of it im keeping it under control now but just cant get rid of it.  Doing water changes every other week.  Everything is test ok from what I can see.  Didnt know if anyone had any ideas?

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 21:12:16 »
What are your phosphates and nitrates testing at?  Do you keep macroalgae?  If so, does it have good growth?  Are you skimming?  How much are your water changes?  Do you know the TDS of your water?

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 22:50:33 »
i am not  familiar with your tank at all, but if your tank is fairly new you will have outbreaks of different algaes as your tank matures. It will eventually go away on its own, but i recommend a cleaning crew to help you combat it during these periods. I like to use cerith and nerite snails for the glass and rock, tiger strombus conchs for the sand. I have seen then venture up on the rocks too. The conchs are work horses and at one per 25gallons, these guys will have cleaned up in no time.

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 06:31:03 »
If the algae is under control as you stated, it's time to find the root cause of the problem rather than just continuing to keep it under control.  Proper water quality is essential to keeping algae at bay.

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 08:30:59 »
I agree with most the suggestions and would add to it;

Additional information about your aquarium would be helpful in trouble shooting. What size tank, about how long has it been up and running, Give the details of your filtration system and what you do to maintain it.(is it a sump - protein skimmer - canister - etc..) What are your aquarium waters parameters? What is living in the tank? 

What type of water are you using to mix your salt with? Are you using an r/o unit? If so have you tested the quality of the water it is producing? If your buying the water, can you test it do determine it's quality? As mentioned in an earlier post, testing the TDS (total dissolved solids) of the water the r/o unit produces will tell you a lot about it's quality. If your using tap water, that could cause the problem as well. Typically doing water changes is the answer to how to correct these types of problems but sometimes the water we are using is the cause. I have spent a lot of time trying to fix a problem only to learn that the water I was using was the cause of the problem I was trying to fix - 'doh!!!

What type of lighting do you have and how old are the light bulbs? Older lamps can cause undesirable algae growth, especially older florescent lamps. At about 6 months they typically have lost most of their usefulness, by 12 months they can really cause some algae issues. Just because they still turn on does not mean they are still good.

I suggest caution on the suggestion that you need to get some type of clean up crew. This practice may (or may not) aesthetically solve the problem but does not correct what is causing it. If that was all there is to it, you could just wipe the algae off the glass ans stir up the sand and get a similar result for free. I'm not at all suggesting that snails & hermits are not a good idea, I keep them in just about all my tanks. My point is that "clean up crew" should not be your main means of solving the problem with out first addressing and correcting (if needed) some of the other possible causes. Nuciance algae is often a sign of an undesirable condition that is potentially more damaging than just causing algae.

Another concern I have is, I too don't know the age of your aquarium. If it is a case of it's a newly set up aquarium going thru an algae faze, it may also have some other water quality issues as well. Adding snails or other cleaners to an aquarium that is not fully cycled and stable is not advisable. It may kill them and add even more waste to the system. I don't think that is the case with your tank but I think it needed to be brought up for others who have newly set up aquariums and may have got the impression that buying snails are appropriate for a new aquarium.

Give us some more info and I bet we can help get to the bottom of it.

Joel

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 12:19:15 »
I have a 150g with a 30g sump/refg.  150# liverock 100# sand a turboflotor multi 1000 skimmer,  i have a ro/di water.  i dont have anything to test TDS   the tank has been set up for a yr now but was moved to my new house during that yr.  i have a a 48" compact fluorescent 260w with prob yr old bulbs an a reefstar metal halide 250w with 14000K   nitrates 0-10  nitrites 0  ammonia 0-.25

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 12:38:26 »
I have a 150g with a 30g sump/refg.  150# liverock 100# sand a turboflotor multi 1000 skimmer,  i have a ro/di water.  i dont have anything to test TDS   the tank has been set up for a yr now but was moved to my new house during that yr.  i have a a 48" compact fluorescent 260w with prob yr old bulbs an a reefstar metal halide 250w with 14000K   nitrates 0-10  nitrites 0  ammonia 0-.25
Id say for starters the year old bulbs, are not helping your cause, but thats just one possibillity

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 12:57:28 »
tagging along here.  almost the exact same set up as you (no skimmer hooked up yet)  i am running (3) 250 watt MH bulbs (brand new) and it helped alot with my algae (my tds is 0 coming out of my RO/DI unit).  I am however still growing algae only on my glass.... so i am interested in what maybe the issue.

So at start i would change our your bulbs.

Also what type of livestock do you have in there?  Feeding amount/schedule?

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 13:30:55 »
I agree with everyone else on changing your bulbs.

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 15:49:54 »
Ok,

Lamps are for sure a good start.

I'd get a TDS meter, they are pretty cheap. A model that I sell is about 30 bucks. On line I bet they are even less.
If it's been a while since your cartridges have been swapped out on your r/o, it may not be producing the quality of water that your wanting.

The term refugium means something different to many. Is it a deep sand bed type? Berlin type? etc. What maintenance do you perform on your sump? Are your growing any macro algae in your sump? If so, when and for how long are the lights on your sump? Ideally they should be opposite that of your aquarium. Does it grow well? How often are you cultivating it?

How's the protein skimmer doing? How often are you cleaning & adjusting it. When dialed in properly they should need cleaned at least couple times per week if not more.

What type of pre-filter are you using and how often are you cleaning it. Cleaning out the pre filter several times per week is a huge benefit in terms of reducing what algae is feeding on and helps with long term water quality.

It's tough to give one solid answer to how to solve an algae issue because there are many possible contributors. Hopefully one or a combination of these will help out.

Klosterman

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 20:54:21 »
ok did some testing
  TDS out of RO/DI           150
  Nitrates out of RO/DI       0
  Phosphates out of RO/DI  0
  Phosphates out of tank    0
  Nitrates out of tank        160+ 
  Calcium in tank              400
  KH in tank                     7
« Last Edit: October 08, 2009, 20:56:52 by Klosterman »

slandis3

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2009, 20:59:37 »
ok TDS way high, you need to replace your filters. I would have someone else check your ro/di water with a second tds meter just to make sure the one you used is working properly.

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2009, 21:09:42 »
Wait. Nitrates in your tank are 160PPM+? Thats your issue.

Nitrates in your RO water are zero? With a freshwater test kit (are they different)?

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 21:21:03 »
It sounds like your tank is experiencing a cycle. After the cycle Nitrates should be at zero. The brown algae is probably diatoms and if your move was somewhat recent this could be causing the diatoms. Add the Ro/Di kicking out 150 water its only adding to the algea.   

As mentioned before definitely change your filters and lights and that should help.

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2009, 01:44:17 »
I think you meant to say Nitrites are 0 after cycle. Nitrates are accumulated from husbandry issues. Large repeatable water changes (perhaps 75% or more per week) is recommended to get Nitrates down. However also as suggested consider maintenance on your RO/DI unit if possible right away so your large water changes are more effective.

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2009, 06:50:46 »
The nitrates at 160 ppm are for sure playing a roll in feeding the brown algae. Water changes will help dilute them down to an acceptable level. I would still address the R/O unit too though, that 150 TDS is much higher than is ideal and I'd still replace the lamps. Both are having a negative affect on the aquarium.

The next concern is what is happening that got the nitrates up that high? Doing a series of large water changes to decrease your nitrates will work but if you don't address what let it happen in the first place, they will just come back. With out a detailed description of your filtration system and maintenance practices it tough to know what to suggest.


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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2009, 08:41:45 »
Thanks Lazy, I actually had the two mixed up when I typed that.

Klosterman, in case you haven't figured it out, anything Joel says is golden in this hobby and has yet to lead me in the wrong direction.

Klosterman

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2009, 12:57:07 »
Ok..I have been doing water changes about 70g a week.  Thanks for all the input.

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Re: Brown Algae
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2009, 17:04:02 »
test your rodi again and recheck your test kits. seems like alot of nitrate if you are doing almost 50% water change for weeks.
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