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Offline cyberwollf

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Which Skimmer
« on: August 10, 2010, 21:48:41 »
After looking at >20 skimmers online tonight, i have NO IDEA what i need.  its a 75 with 30g sump.  Anyone recommend a good skimmer?  looking to spend around $200.  would prefer used, but cant find ANYTHING used right now..... suggestions?

Anyone thinking about a skimmer upgrade and wanting to maybe sell their current one?  :laugh:
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 21:52:48 »
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 22:14:09 »
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 22:33:05 »
if ur buying justin  ill take 2
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2010, 23:14:57 »
i have a mrc (my reef creations) skimmer love it
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 09:39:04 »
Some state over rating I bad since they feel it pulls to much good stuff out of the water.  Which can be added back to the tank by waterchanges.

Others feel you can't go to big. Big over rated Skimmer will perform more consistantly and be able to take any spikes better.

There is also a huge difference in how Skimmers are rated so many of the McGowan suggested numbers are 2-5 times higher then what the Skimmer can do.

Like my er rated at 400-500 gph medium load ideal according to them has a comparable rating of 1000-1500 gallons being inflated like many manufacturers.

Does marine solutions still sell Skimmers? They might have some good options.  I would just look for one with a good pump and preferably a 8 in diameter body.  Meshwheel Skimmers work. UT the mesh falls apart and needs to be redone so I would stick with a needlewheel or pinwheel skimmer
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2010, 10:50:36 »
After I get my setup running and get some money... I'm planning on getting either:

http://www.reefdynamics.com/category-s/48.htm

or

http://www.reefdynamics.com/category-s/47.htm

More than likely the INS100.  That way I am skimming is able to handle more water volume than I will be passing through it.
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 14:08:06 »
I was able to jump on a brand new reef octopus DDWN-150 for $200 on RC. I'm a little scared since its new and half off the ~$400 price tag. I paid via paypal and credit card so I should be protected. We'll see what happens
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 14:13:17 »
Quote from: cyberwollf on August 11, 2010, 14:08:06
I was able to jump on a brand new reef octopus DDWN-150 for $200 on RC. I'm a little scared since its new and half off the ~$400 price tag. I paid via paypal and credit card so I should be protected. We'll see what happens

Thats an awesome price for what I looks to be an awesome skimmer.
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2010, 15:11:50 »
The first question that should be asked is what size system are you looking at skimming?  What is the bioload in that system?  Is there a heavy load?
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 15:38:41 »
that was a great price and paypal will back you on it
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2010, 16:46:29 »
Quote from: Rob on August 11, 2010, 15:11:50
The first question that should be asked is what size system are you looking at skimming?  What is the bioload in that system?  Is there a heavy load?

Its a 75g with 30g sump.  Its not a huge bioload, but i feed corals and fish heavily.  I have been having a problem with turf algae taking over.  I decided to go with a larger skimmer because i will most likley upgrade to a bigger setup in the future sometime.  We'll see what happends
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2010, 17:22:13 »
if you plan to upgrade your tank size later get one for that size now,  It will save you money later.  Even if it means holding out until. You have more money to spend I would wait.

Eheim and Laguna seem to be two of the best affordable pumps to go with. 

I am hopefully going to order my new Skimmer next week.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2010, 17:34:20 »
ya get the one that u can use if u upgrade 
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2010, 19:48:03 »
Hey wait! I thought we had a deal. I was going to sell you mine for $200, and buy Viggens hehe. J/K
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2010, 17:47:08 »
This thing is HUGE!!! The only part that was missing was the collection cup drain, theres just a hole in the cup.  Otherwise an amazing deal from reefcentral forum.  $200 for a brandnew skimmer that sells for almost $400.  I was a little skeptical since it was one of those "too good to be true" deals



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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2010, 17:48:48 »
thats great should be able to use any pipe fitting to fit the whole
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2010, 20:34:17 »
Quote from: HUNGER on August 18, 2010, 17:48:48
thats great should be able to use any pipe fitting to fit the whole

Ok the output pipe is some crazy sized PVC...??? Its bigger than 1" but 1.25" is a hair too big..??? The only thing i can think is since SWC is the Canadian distributor of ReefOctopus, maybe its metric PVC (does that exist??)... Secondly, there is no way that the hole in the collection cup is factory, you cant fit ANY fitting in there. As you can see from the pic, I cant even fit my finger between the hole and the coupler on the neck...... I think im just gonna weldon some acyrlic over the hole

Anyone have any of this weird sized PVC laying around? Or an impeller for a mj1200?

(pic is comming, iphone battery just died)
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2010, 20:40:32 »
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2010, 20:55:24 »
OK, this lead me to my next question, I know we have several LONG threads on this: overflow feed vs. mj1200 feed.

I was planning overflow feed, but this style skimmer uses a ball valve to set height. Other skimmers i have owned used an adjustable height output tube, thus creating no backpressure and thus less sensitive to height fluctuations.  i will be running it off my Calfo overflow so there are sevral valves inline that might make it a pain to adjust 
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2010, 22:07:05 »
Quote from: cyberwollf on August 18, 2010, 20:34:17
Ok the output pipe is some crazy sized PVC...??? Its bigger than 1" but 1.25" is a hair too big..??? The only thing i can think is since SWC is the Canadian distributor of ReefOctopus, maybe its metric PVC (does that exist??)... Secondly, there is no way that the hole in the collection cup is factory, you cant

that is weird
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2010, 22:10:15 »
1.) Its schedule 80! Good luck, its a pain in the rear to find. You can get SCH40 that is close, and sand it down with 80 grit, lots of glue, luck and time.  Or find a store that has SCH80 (again, good luck, try places that run HUGE sprinkler systems).

2.) Feeding from an overflow is PRIME! But only if you can have that one clogged without a flood. I tried it, and it was way to touchy for me. A MJ1200 is not enough flow in my opinion. My Octo skimmer is fed by a mag 7.

3.) Trial and error works hehe.
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2010, 23:21:25 »
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Well all I did tonight was get water everywhere and severely piss myself off!

One of the recirc pump has a joint that WILL NOT stop leaking!!!  :angry4: :angry4:

Im starting to hate the idea of external recirc.  I dont trust the skimmer not to overflow, and because this model has ballvalve for backpressure it can easily overflow.  My other models with the adjustable height have no backpressure so once the cup fills up it just flows back into the neck......  Can you run an external skimmer in a sump???

Help, ideas, etc....???? :angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2010, 23:36:51 »
Quote from: cyberwollf on August 18, 2010, 23:21:25
:angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:
Well all I did tonight was get water everywhere and severely piss myself off!

One of the recirc pump has a joint that WILL NOT stop leaking!!!  :angry4: :angry4:

Im starting to hate the idea of external recirc.  I dont trust the skimmer not to overflow, and because this model has ballvalve for backpressure it can easily overflow.  My other models with the adjustable height have no backpressure so once the cup fills up it just flows back into the neck......  Can you run an external skimmer in a sump???

Help, ideas, etc....???? :angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:

Yes you can run a recirc in the sump. Needs much less flow that way. My skimmer is a badword to get not to leak external. Saltcreep does a good job sealing it though. Where is it leaking? One of the unions? Did you tape it? You can try tape in the ends, and a wad of plumbers putty on the inside.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2010, 23:48:16 »
ok.... I found the too good to be true part lol.... I could have sworn that the leak wasnt comming from the joint, it appeared to be comming from the pump body.  There is a little screw in male to male adaptor that looks to have been previously broken and glue...stupid, anyways looks like a cheap part to replace.  I need to call reefoctopus tomorrow to find a replacement adaptor
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2010, 23:52:17 »
Hey, im needing a replacement part for a reef octopus 3000 pump, the pump inlet where the venturi is connected, the little clear plastic tube is broken. wondering if you want to combine orders to save on shipping
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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2010, 17:01:06 »
I have also always been leery of a external Skimmer so I kept my rc'd er in a sump.  The only way I would run a Skimmer externally is if I have the collection cup plumbed to a drain.  So if for some reason it freaks out the crap goes down the drain and not all over the floor.  But then a auto top off system would be important so the main pump doesn't run dry.

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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2010, 17:10:14 »
Quote from: Viggen on August 19, 2010, 17:01:06
I have also always been leery of a external Skimmer so I kept my rc'd er in a sump.  The only way I would run a Skimmer externally is if I have the collection cup plumbed to a drain.  So if for some reason it freaks out the crap goes down the drain and not all over the floor.  But then a auto top off system would be important so the main pump doesn't run dry.



I have mine external, cup ran to a jug, and the feed pump is under 3" of water. So it works well for me. But you make good points, something to think about.
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2010, 17:39:53 »
Quote from: illnino on August 18, 2010, 23:52:17
Hey, im needing a replacement part for a reef octopus 3000 pump, the pump inlet where the venturi is connected, the little clear plastic tube is broken. wondering if you want to combine orders to save on shipping

Sorry, i already ordered before I saw this.  I got it from coralvue.com they were nice and pretty cheap.  part and shipping was <$10
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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2010, 18:07:08 »
Quote from: Viggen on August 19, 2010, 17:01:06
I have also always been leery of a external Skimmer so I kept my rc'd er in a sump.  The only way I would run a Skimmer externally is if I have the collection cup plumbed to a drain.  So if for some reason it freaks out the crap goes down the drain and not all over the floor.  But then a auto top off system would be important so the main pump doesn't run dry.


thats why i made a big cllection box
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2010, 19:15:21 »
still waiting on the other float switch for my box  ;D :angry4:
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2010, 21:40:05 »
Wes, that looks like a pretty kick @$$ skimmer.  Love the dual recirc. going on there
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2010, 21:44:58 »
Quote from: ghurlag on August 19, 2010, 21:40:05
Wes, that looks like a pretty kick @$$ skimmer.  Love the dual recirc. going on there

Yea, i figured it was time to stop being cheap and get a real skimmer.  I just lucked out on catching this one.  Just waiting on that cheap little replacement part to come in.
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2010, 22:20:13 »
Quote from: cyberwollf on August 19, 2010, 21:44:58
Yea, i figured it was time to stop being cheap and get a real skimmer. 
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2010, 00:29:19 »
Quote from: illnino on August 18, 2010, 23:52:17
Hey, im needing a replacement part for a reef octopus 3000 pump, the pump inlet where the venturi is connected, the little clear plastic tube is broken. wondering if you want to combine orders to save on shipping

I use to have an octopus nw-200 skimmer with the otp-3000 pump, the nipple where the air line connects broke on mine as well.  I started looking at the octopus skimmer mods page on RC and several people just bored out the hole and connected 1/4" ro tubing that may solve your problem.
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2010, 01:01:06 »
Quote from: Riderc82 on August 20, 2010, 00:29:19
I use to have an octopus nw-200 skimmer with the otp-3000 pump, the nipple where the air line connects broke on mine as well.  I started looking at the octopus skimmer mods page on RC and several people just bored out the hole and connected 1/4" ro tubing that may solve your problem.

Good idea, I have never run the skimmer, but it seems like that air intake is too small for a pump that size. do you know if they put a air valve on the ro line? I have a few JG 1/4" ball valves and a needle valve I can steal off my old calcium reactor.
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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2010, 09:59:18 »
USPS tracking says the part made it to Dayton early this morning.  Would be sweet if it comes today
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2010, 10:05:41 »
Try calling for an in office pickup.  I have done that here in Springfield.
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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2010, 12:52:50 »
Got the part....ITS ALIVE! ITS ALIVE!!!!
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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2010, 13:27:45 »
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Got the part....ITS ALIVE! ITS ALIVE!!!!

Pics or else hehe
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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2010, 13:35:52 »
Ok, i gave it a vinegar bath before I plumbed it inline.  What else can i do to speed breakin? I have the waterline about halfway up the neck now.
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« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2010, 16:36:59 »
Quote from: cyberwollf on August 23, 2010, 13:35:52
Ok, i gave it a vinegar bath before I plumbed it inline.  What else can i do to speed breakin? I have the waterline about halfway up the neck now.
thats all i did for about a week and it worked fine after that
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« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2010, 17:05:23 »
Why the vinegar bath?  I have never done that.  What does that do for you... just clean it out real well?
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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2010, 17:12:37 »
Get some slimmate from a friend and rub it all over the inside neck, its just like a primer and will speed up the process
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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2010, 17:24:33 »
Quote from: Midwest Express on August 23, 2010, 17:05:23
Why the vinegar bath?  I have never done that.  What does that do for you... just clean it out real well?

Vinegar will help eat some of the factory oils and speed up break in.  Only need to do it on initial startup
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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2010, 19:13:51 »
Quote from: Midwest Express on August 23, 2010, 17:05:23
Why the vinegar bath?  I have never done that.  What does that do for you... just clean it out real well?

It removes some of the oils left after they are made that make them either skim like crazy or not skim at all.
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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2010, 19:52:18 »
Good to know!
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2010, 23:33:04 »
Ok as it has been breaking in (only first day) I've had to open it wide open and its still near the top of neck.... SO i raised the skimmer by putting it on a block and cut 1.5 inchs off the riser pipe.  Now wide open is just at the transition.  Now i can sleep comfortably and it will allow more adjustment once it breaks in.
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« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2010, 00:05:27 »
Quote from: cyberwollf on August 23, 2010, 23:33:04
Ok as it has been breaking in (only first day) I've had to open it wide open and its still near the top of neck.... SO i raised the skimmer by putting it on a block and cut 1.5 inchs off the riser pipe.  Now wide open is just at the transition.  Now i can sleep comfortably and it will allow more adjustment once it breaks in.

You worry to much man :)
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« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2010, 08:14:48 »
Quote from: TechGuy40 on August 24, 2010, 00:05:27
You worry to much man :)
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the return line out of the skimmer should be at watter height or higher that ur sump will run at
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« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2010, 22:10:23 »
Ok I'm waiting on pictures of the skimmate. Everyone always has darker skimmate than me.
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« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2010, 22:32:21 »
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You worry to much man :)

A note from someone else that had skimmer anxiety ... Patience young Padawan.. Patience  ;)
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« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2010, 23:42:07 »
Quote from: kennv431 on August 27, 2010, 22:32:21
A note from someone else that had skimmer anxiety ... Patience young Padawan.. Patience  ;)

Yeah Ken...
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2010, 10:41:08 »
Quote from: Riderc82 on August 27, 2010, 22:10:23
Ok I'm waiting on pictures of the skimmate. Everyone always has darker skimmate than me.

It's just tea colored right now. Still breaking in. It's still finicky so I don't want to raise the water level too fast. I just bump it up a little each day
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2010, 11:18:53 »
thats what i had to do to the aqua c skimmer
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Re: Which Skimmer
« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2010, 16:12:25 »
I'm not sure if my MSX200 is over sized for my 90 but I don't get much skim.  I have 3 anthias, 2 clowns and a wrasse and I only feed one cube of Mysis every other day so maybe I need to bump up the feeding to sell coffee colored skim.
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