Author Topic: Tank drilling (Read 13441 times)

Boonjob · « **Reply #50 on:** July 20, 2011, 16:40:57 »

Quote from: Todd W. on July 20, 2011, 16:33:54

Just called all-glass my tank manufacturer, the bottom and front are the only tempered glass in the tank

good deal, and great idea! We dont want to have to add a what not to do section to the drilling tutorial video!

Reefpete · « **Reply #51 on:** July 20, 2011, 16:42:56 »

Quote from: Boonjob on July 20, 2011, 16:40:57

good deal, and great idea! We dont want to have to add a what not to do section to the drilling tutorial video!

+1

Boonjob · « **Reply #52 on:** July 20, 2011, 16:44:26 »

Quote from: Reefpete on July 20, 2011, 16:39:54

Weither?
Actually I am only running 1" bulkheads with 1.5" plumbing. www.beananimal.com

Sigh, he only used 1" bulkheads because he said he didn't want to have to buy any and he had them laying around... did you even read it, or just look at the pictures?

Reefpete · « **Reply #53 on:** July 20, 2011, 19:08:58 »

Quote from: Boonjob on July 20, 2011, 16:44:26

Sigh, he only used 1" bulkheads because he said he didn't want to have to buy any and he had them laying around... did you even read it, or just look at the pictures?

To be quite honest, I have read the article... several times. What bean animal did is tried and thoroughly tested. That is exactly what I am looking for.
I want to set my system up *once* and leave it alone for as long as I can. Unlike...well you know who. Also...If that wasn't a good enough reason for your sighing @$$. My tank is only as tall as it is deep. While I was only looking at the pictures... I came to the thought that smaller bulkheads would allow for slightly smaller overflow glass.

This coming from you...The one who is going to try to drill a tank that is a running system.

Todd W. · « **Reply #54 on:** July 20, 2011, 20:53:27 »

Well I will think about it some more tomorrow, going with 1 1/2 inch for a 46 seems like real overkill... Now for a 100+ I wouldn't even have second thoughts about it. That and trying to run 3 1 1/2 inch lines downstairs would be neigh impossible.... I really need to think and plan this through a little bit more

Boonjob · « **Reply #55 on:** July 20, 2011, 21:19:09 »

Quote from: Todd W. on July 20, 2011, 20:53:27

Well I will think about it some more tomorrow, going with 1 1/2 inch for a 46 seems like real overkill... Now for a 100+ I wouldn't even have second thoughts about it. That and trying to run 3 1 1/2 inch lines downstairs would be neigh impossible.... I really need to think and plan this through a little bit more

yeah 1 1/2 is out of the question, I ran it on my 55 and it caused way too much air mixture in the pipe and i had to make an extra bubble trap to deal with the excess air in the sump

Todd W. · « **Reply #56 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:18:53 »

Check out the outputs on this calflo design... I wonder where he got the aquarium safe black silicon?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2021927

Boonjob · « **Reply #57 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:35:05 »

Quote from: Todd W. on July 21, 2011, 08:18:53

I wonder where he got the aquarium safe black silicon?

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=219088-72643-LW5030&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3084585&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 ?

Boonjob · « **Reply #58 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:35:45 »

Quote from: Reefpete on July 20, 2011, 19:08:58

To be quite honest, I have read the article... several times. What bean animal did is tried and thoroughly tested. That is exactly what I am looking for.
I want to set my system up *once* and leave it alone for as long as I can. Unlike...well you know who. Also...If that wasn't a good enough reason for your sighing @$$. My tank is only as tall as it is deep. While I was only looking at the pictures... I came to the thought that smaller bulkheads would allow for slightly smaller overflow glass.

This coming from you...The one who is going to try to drill a tank that is a running system.

Jealous?

Todd W. · « **Reply #59 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:48:14 »

Just ordered my smoked glass and bulkheads...

micki · « **Reply #60 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:49:37 »

Quote from: Todd W. on July 21, 2011, 09:48:14

Just ordered my smoked glass and bulkheads...

Todd W. · « **Reply #61 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:59:22 »

Quote from: Boonjob on July 21, 2011, 08:35:05

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=219088-72643-LW5030&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3084585&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 ?

I did some quick searches on it and there is quite a bit of discord on whether or not this is fish safe. I need to look into it more and possibly call GE to find out. There are some sites that when searching for 'fish safe black silicone' come up, usually at online fish equip specialty stores and it is slightly pricey, maybe a LFS would have some. Black would be nice but I may end up going the clear route as that can be picked up easily at Lowes... Also if you goof up the clear, you can't see it

Boonjob · « **Reply #62 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:10:53 »

Yeah I am not too sure on this stuff(I know the ~~GE silicone II~~ * Correction Silicone I is safe), And from what I have read you are looking for anything that is 100%silicone and no anti mold/fungal etc(which this seems to be). The Lowes site says this is anti mold, but I don't recall seeing it on the actual product(and lowes has been known to goof up their specs quite often). I think so long as it is 100% silicone and no anti mold once it cures there would be no risk of danger (anyone wanna chime in on this?)

I used the ~~GE Silicone II~~ *GE Silicone I in my sump and had no ill effect, I also used the dap squeeze tube of labeled aquarium safe silicone, was the same crap as the GE but I paid 4 dollars more for less and it was a pain to squeeze the tube and control the nozzle in tight spaces. The GE Caulk Tube was much more practical and under 5 bucks.

Not sure if GE will actually comment on it's viability in the aquarium? even if it is I bet they plead the 5th

Let us know what you learn!

I also have read this is the same blend as GE I which was labeled as aquarium safe on the product by GE and they sold it to All Glass aswell. It appears also that GE II is not labeled aquarium safe as it releases ammonia as it cures(but no risk once cured). And GE I realeases acetic acid (actually all do, but it appears II is a diluted strength) May play a part as to why GE no longer endorses aquarium safe for legal reasons.

Wall_Tank · « **Reply #63 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:13:05 »

Quote from: Boonjob on July 21, 2011, 08:35:05

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=219088-72643-LW5030&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3084585&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 ?

That is Anti-Mildew, so should not be used.

I've not bought anything but small aquarium tubes of silicone, but based on the specifications, this should work

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAP-Silicone-Rubber-Sealant-4MY67?Pid=search

I've also heard of some using RTV silicone products too.

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/PERMATEX-RTV-Silicone-3DPT1?Pid=search

Wall_Tank · « **Reply #64 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:16:49 »

Quote from: Boonjob on July 21, 2011, 10:10:53

I used the GE Silicone II in my sump and had no ill effect

None that you know of....yet. I would avoid it. All Silicone II has Anti Mildew additives. There are more folks using the Silicone I product for aquariums. I doubt GE will say one way or the other, for liability sake.

Boonjob · « **Reply #65 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:20:01 »

Quote from: Wall_Tank on July 21, 2011, 10:16:49

None that you know of....yet. I would avoid it. All Silicone II has Anti Mildew additives. There are more folks using the Silicone I product for aquariums. I doubt GE will say one way or the other, for liability sake.

I meant I used one not II, Sorry. And I was commenting that from what I have read this Black silicone appears to be the same formula.

Todd W. · « **Reply #66 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:21:04 »

Well I have some good information on Black Silicone from GE. I just got off the phone with one of the specialists at their helpdesk. She stated that GE makes no 'fish safe' silicone products. The product from Lowes that we were discussing and has been discussed online, LW5030 is not fish safe. However she stated that Window and Door Silicone 1 does not have mold or mildew resistant chemicals in it so it could possibly be fish safe but she does not recommend it.

Additionally she stated that any of their products are not designed for continuous underwater applications and will degrade over time. This is probably why the mold and mildew resistent silicones (GE #2) are bad for fish and leech the chemicals into the water over time.

It looks like I will just purchase the clear aquarium safe silicone from a hardware store, LFS, or online just to be sure....

Todd

Boonjob · « **Reply #67 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:32:24 »

Quote from: Todd W. on July 21, 2011, 10:21:04

Well I have some good information on Black Silicone from GE. I just got off the phone with one of the specialists at their helpdesk. She stated that GE makes no 'fish safe' silicone products. The product from Lowes that we were discussing and has been discussed online, LW5030 is not fish safe. However she stated that Window and Door Silicone 1 does not have mold or mildew resistant chemicals in it so it could possibly be fish safe but she does not recommend it.

Additionally she stated that any of their products are not designed for continuous underwater applications and will degrade over time. This is probably why the mold and mildew resistent silicones (GE #2) are bad for fish and leech the chemicals into the water over time.

It looks like I will just purchase the clear aquarium safe silicone from a hardware store, LFS, or online just to be sure....

Todd

Yeah I figured they would say no, I didn't think they would get caught advising any differently than the label already lists. Up to you, I personally see ZERO defference in the GE 100% silicone non mold resist blends vs the "aquarium safe" labeled blends. And though there is alot of mixed debate as to the use of this product(GE 1, not 5030), all of the people I see using it have reported zero negative effects, and the ones who say no haven't even tried it or really have any real reported negative effects, so I guess it is what it is. FYI that black silicone is a Window/Door Blend

Lowes sells that DAP which is labeled aquarium safe, I wanna say it is >$8 for a squeeze tube, I found it hard to squeeze into tight spots, a "caulk tube" with an airline attached to the nozzle may work better? Also not sure if you used it before but it releases a terrible smell and may agitate your sinuses I would advise doing it somewhere well vented and my sump stunk for almost 2 days before it went away.

slandis3 · « **Reply #68 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:37:03 »

I know I used ge type 1 on my sump and its turning yellow. It gets very little light. Not sure whats up with it. I think Dow 795 is what all the top manufacturers use.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=dow+795&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10397429851187904489&sa=X&ei=XjkoTqT2EejKsQKB56E7&ved=0CDgQ8wIwAw

Reefpete · « **Reply #69 on:** July 21, 2011, 11:56:23 »

Quote from: Boonjob on July 21, 2011, 08:35:45

Jealous?

No

Reefpete · « **Reply #70 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:04:17 »

Quote from: slandis3 on July 21, 2011, 10:37:03

I know I used ge type 1 on my sump and its turning yellow. It gets very little light. Not sure whats up with it. I think Dow 795 is what all the top manufacturers

GE contractors SCS 1200 is what a few tank manufacturers like oceanic use.

Boonjob · « **Reply #71 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:12:39 »

Quote from: Reefpete on July 21, 2011, 11:56:23

Yeah, you guessed it. I'm secretly jealous of a system that is totally opposite of what I'm wanting.

Now I am confused, What exactly is opposite about it?

Boonjob · « **Reply #72 on:** July 21, 2011, 13:26:54 »

slandis were you trying to make a jig still and were you trying to have it done for the meeting? or should I just make up these wood ones (if todd and pete still want em)

Todd W. · « **Reply #73 on:** July 21, 2011, 14:07:25 »

Let me know. If you make the jig that would be great. If not let me know and I can make one. Just need to know what size holes that the diamond drill will fit into for a 1" bulkhead...

Boonjob · « **Reply #74 on:** July 21, 2011, 14:14:12 »

Quote from: Todd W. on July 21, 2011, 14:07:25

Let me know. If you make the jig that would be great. If not let me know and I can make one. Just need to know what size holes that the diamond drill will fit into for a 1" bulkhead...

I will make it up not a problem, I got the bit from Brian today so I will just make it with the bits.

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Author Topic: Tank drilling (Read 13441 times)