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Offline jd

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Fish with a scab?
« on: December 17, 2009, 23:18:39 »
Hey guys, I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about illnesses in our fin'ed friends so I looking for some insight.

I just noticed today that one of my clowns has what looks to be a scab on her chin. I must have shown up in the last few days. She is still eating fine and as active as ever. Its about the size of a pin head. Doesn't look to be bothering her. Could she have got it from trying to dig a nest or something like that?

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2009, 23:46:42 »
Can you get a pic?
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2009, 23:50:21 »
Damaging herself while digging is very possible. Unfortunately, if it is not a parasite itself, will most likely cause a bacterial infection and will bring on a whole new set of problems. Marine Stress Coat will help the fish heal, and will not perk your skimmer, as it adds electrolytes for healing. Look for red streaks or splotches, signs of infection.

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2009, 00:00:32 »
JD, do you have any other fish that could have attacked this one?

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2009, 00:10:45 »
Can you get a pic?

I'll try when my lights kick back on, but shes a wiggler

Damaging herself while digging is very possible. Unfortunately, if it is not a parasite itself, will most likely cause a bacterial infection and will bring on a whole new set of problems. Marine Stress Coat will help the fish heal, and will not perk your skimmer, as it adds electrolytes for healing. Look for red streaks or splotches, signs of infection.

Thanks for the tip. Any thing I should worry about using stress coat in my reef? I'd rather not have to remove her as I'm worried it will just stress her. This is the first I've seen it so I can't tell if it is better or worse yet. So far this is the only mark on her. Fingers crossed.

JD, do you have any other fish that could have attacked this one?

I don't think so. Shes the dominate clown, the only other fish is a sixline, cleaner wrasse, sailfin blenny, ONE(thats for you, Joel, Mike and Dave) chromis.
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2009, 04:14:14 »
No worries about Stress Coat in the reef. Just make sure it is Marine Stress Coat, it is extra strength but will not perk your skimmer. I use it while acclimating all marine life. It is only beneficial to everything in your tank, while neutralizing chlorine, chloramine, and ammonia. And unless you got yourself and RO unit, that is what I recommend you use to condition your water jd.... ;). Just make sure it says "Marine Stress Coat" and not "Stress Coat +" the + will not harm anything it is just not quite as strong and it will blow the lid off your skimmer. ;D

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2009, 07:25:54 »
i had a clown do that it was from them trying to make a nest and rubed up on a rock
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2009, 10:05:53 »
Thanks everyone, it it looking better this morning. I'll check again when I get home.
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2009, 16:02:53 »
ONE Chromis....funny.

I agree with the opinions that it is likely an injury from some activity, mouth damage is fairly common from moving gravel /rocks, fighting, etc.


I do however want to express my concerns about using Stress Coat as a cure or solution to fish health problems.

Stress Coat is a water conditioner / dechlorinator, not a medication. For the most part I would say that it is not harmful to use Stress Coat but is it not a cure to fish ailments.

The claim that "adding electrolytes" heals is not entirely correct. Electrolytes largely play a roll in hydration regulation, muscle function, immunity and more. All of these functions performing properly is desirable and do play a roll in the overall health of an animal but       "electrolytes" themselves are not a healing agent. Because a fish is injured does not automatically mean that they need their eletrolytes replaced, especially in saltwater fish.

Electrolytes is a fancy word for minerals, mostly salt. In fact, electrolyte depletion in salt water fish, although not impossible, is unlikely. Electrolytes are composed of many of the same trace elements found in out salt water mixes and supplements. Saltwater fish drink water, Assuming a person maintains their aquarium properly, the fish is ingesting these minerals and barring an organ malfunction, will not need it's electrolytes replenished.

My main point is that if a un knowing person read the statement that adding stress coat adds electrolytes and that electrolytes heals, this could imply to many that all they need to do is add stress coat when their fish are injured. This could lead to avoidable fish loss.

There are numerous, better routes to follow to cure tissue damage. Good environment and diet enriched with vitamin supplements are at the top of my list. In some cases meds are required, but that doesn't sound to be the case here though.

If I scrape my knee, I don't need gatorade to cure it :laugh:

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2009, 17:24:58 »
To follow up on the "claim" that Stress Coat is a "cure-all," is a misrepresentation of what Justin is trying to communicate to those interested enough to read this thread.

To clarify, the statement Marine Stress Coat will help the fish heal, and will not perk your skimmer, as it adds electrolytes for healing. Look for red streaks or splotches, signs of infection., is to say exactly that, "It Helps, Aids, and Promotes" the healing process. Nothing more, nothing less. Electrolytes, as defined here previously, are in fact just the componets that were also described as being needed for the healing process, ie., vitamins, minerals, etc.,

When a fish is injured these very minerals "AID" in the healing process. There are far more variables involved than were even previously discussed here. Hence, Justin's statement that you should monitor the fish for "red streaks, splotches, and other signs of infection," is very important in the decision making process of whether or not the fish will need further attention, such as medications.

I am sure that a "little common sense" will go a long, long way with this topic, as, if I were to scrape my knee I may, or may not need stitches. I may only need some vitamins to "help heal" the wound, and some Gatorade to wash them down. ;D

Good Luck to you,
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2009, 19:24:15 »
All I can think of is the movie "Idiocracy" now..."It has electrolytes!"

JD, sorry to hear about your fish.  How is it doing?  I'm sure good husbandry will allow the fish to heal quickly...if it is just a cut. 

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2009, 20:36:51 »
thats good    nice video
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2009, 23:55:39 »
Electrolytes...it's what plants crave!



If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to lighten the mood and keep there from being a very heated debate on the use of additives.  If you have more to say on the subject of additives in this thread, please only do so in a professional manner. 
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2009, 00:18:45 »
I suspect my clown will be fine. It bump has all but disappeared. I guess you can call me a helicopter parent.  I meant to post these first, but got these and the powerthirst ones mixed up...





Does it still count as thread jacking if i started the thread?  ;)
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2009, 07:35:50 »
Did a little research on Electrolytes. For those of us that are not hip on all the chemical talk, here ya go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolyte

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2009, 07:49:19 »
good find.

Note the majority of the "ingredients" are what is found in saltwater mixes and supplements. 

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2009, 08:13:50 »
I use that site to look up stuff all the time. It comes in real handy at work when we are looking at cleaning methods and what chemicals have in them.  I never took chemistry so when it comes to stuff like that I’m lost. LOL

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2009, 09:01:24 »
thats perrty cool
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2009, 14:10:49 »
Another Good Find

Stress Coat® Marine   

 
Marine

"Fish & tap water conditioner. The only marine water conditioner with the healing power of Aloe Vera. Developed for use with a protein skimmer: will not cause foaming. Removes chlorine, chloramines and ammonia from tap water. Scientifically proven to reduce stress. Heals damaged tissue and promotes tissue regeneration. Enhances slime coat. Reef safe. Use when netting or handling fish, or when not pre-filtering water."

http://aquariumpharm.com/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=129

This information is directly from the manufacture of the product. Should help clear up any discrepancies.
Duane

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2009, 18:51:48 »
I'd trust a real scientific study on the stuff rather than the manufacturer's website.  Seems a bit biased to me.  Doesn't say anything about how it was "scientifically proven".  

Here's the MSDS sheet on it.  Looks like it's mostly just Aloe (1-10%) and water (>70%).  (1-20%) is proprietary.  Wonder how much that is........ 

http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/stress_coat_marine_092007.pdf

NAME CAS RN %
Aloes, extract 85507-69-3 1-10%
non hazardous ingredients, proprietary 1-20%
water 7732-18-5 >70% 
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2009, 19:58:50 »
Sighhhhh!  Well, here's a "Scientific Study" on Stress Coat from the University of Georgia.

http://www.articlesbase.com/pets-articles/aquarium-water-conditioners-amquel-novaqua-start-right-ammo-lock-stress-coat-and-more-132946.html

This thread seems far beyond a sore on the fish's chin, lip, face, whatever.  In our attempts to help, aid, and assist another hobbyist with information we know to be true, it has become apparent, that we will stick with our Stress Coat, until other information concerning the health of the fish is presented.

Sorry, if we created a huge controversy over Stress Coat.  We were only trying to help aid Jd in analyzing and taking corrective measures to maintain the heatlh of his fish.

It seems apparent that all topics still ultimately boil down to opinion.

Thank you, and good luck with your fish Jd.
Duane
 

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2009, 21:31:22 »
Thank you for posting that link.  I was unable to find any sort of details on the product.  (And I only use products that have some scientific proof behind them first...unless I'm at a last-resort stage.)  There are all-too-many cure-all products on the market, and it's hard to know which ones actually work and which ones are just snake oil.

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2009, 21:52:15 »
Thanks all, consider this thread closed.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2009, 22:01:49 by slandis3 »
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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2009, 21:54:56 »
WHAT?!

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Re: Fish with a scab?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2009, 21:58:45 »
Thread is locked per JD.

 

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