Ohio Reef
Reef Discussion => Fish Breeding & Coral Propagation => Topic started by: Pencilfish on November 27, 2011, 14:40:58
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how should you start a frag tank
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There are many ways, you can do a sandless or sanded bed, use egg crate to make shelves, put corals on plugs, put a light over them, make sure theres enough flow, make sure you do regular water changes/dose chemicals to help between water changes, ample light. Depends on how you want to set it up. You can tie it into your Main Display tank so that you have more water volume.
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should they be quarantined ?
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when starting out i would, eventually you will notice certain things (diseases) etc. but always quarantining them isnt a bad idea. i dont usually if i know where it came from, etc.
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is it better to use slow or fast moving water
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Depends on the type of coral.
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These pictures are over a year old. However, it should give you an idea or two on how you might want to set one up.
This grow-out tank is a 20 Long hooked up to a 37g display tank.
There are pros and cons on hooking up a frag tank to a display. It would have to be your decision :)
I am very happy with mine
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is it a good idea to put some fish or crabs in with them? if i dont have a frag tank can i put them in the refuge tank or show tank?
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It's a good idea to have some cleanup crew in a frag tank, but it really depends on how much nuisance algae you get.
Some astrea or turbos may be enough if you don't get much algae.
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what coarl is the best to start fraging?
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Montipora Coral
Zoanthids (my favorite :) )
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Leathers are also easy.
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what is the hardest?
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Well, the hardest IMHO would be some that are non-photosynthetic- therefore they require a LOT of food, pretty regularly. Makes it tough keeping the water clean.
Deep-water acros, maybe? Some of the non-photosynthetic gorgonians?
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Hardest ...(almost) ALL SPS :)
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heres my frag tank but best thing to do is go look at every ones frag tank and take what works best for u and put it all toghter
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if i dont have a frag tank yet could i put them in the bottom tank or the show tank?
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Sure, if you have the room. You can make a small frag rack with a magfloat and some egg crate, or some PVC pipe and egg crate, if you can hang it over the edge of the display tank.
Here's a small one I did a while back..
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what kinds of fish will try to eat them
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Well, you wouldn't want any fish that eat coral- basically, look up fish and make sure your favorite source classifies them as 'reef safe'.
That's not a 100% guarantee, since some fish can get a taste for corals, but it's a good rule of thumb to start with.
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I don't have a frag tank but I made a frag rack that sits in my main tank.
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can sponges be in a tank and/or fragged?
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There are very few colorful sponges that you can buy that will last long term in your tank.
Now, if you have a tank for enough time, and you maintain the water, you will have a variety of sponges grow, from tiny pineapple-looking scypha sponges; orange, white, or yellow cinachyra ball sponges; to black, purple and yellow encrusting sponges; etc.
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any ideas on the names? where can you buy them?
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what kinds of fish will try to eat them
IMO ... A small six line wrasse is a must in a frag tank :)
Excellent pest control. Just make sure you have egg crate or something on top of the tank. Wrasse are jumpers.
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what are some of the pests?
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OMG ...LOL
Red flat worms for starters
Certain snails
google up the wrasse and pest to get better info :)
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any ideas on the names? where can you buy them?
Names for the sponges? Not many, no. Ask around at a local frag swap, though- I have no doubt that a more experienced reefer would be glad to harvest some sponge for you. Thing is, most of the sponges that grow naturally in our tanks do so on the underside of rocks, or in shaded areas.
Not exactly frag rack material.
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do you need to take the corals in a seperate container to frag them?
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If it's a coral that may slime a lot....I take it to a seperate container, however if it's something that poses no risk....I pull it out, frag, glue then it's right back into the frag tank.
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do they need diffrent water conditions
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Does what need different water conditions.....corals for pre and post frag? The answer is no, keep your parameters the same throughout all your tanks, that way no extra stress will be induced with moving them around.
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whats pre and post frags
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I just meant where your keeping your coral before "pre" and after "post" fragging.
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is there anything other than corals that can be fragged?
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is there anything other than corals that can be fragged?
Your fingers if you get to close to a knife lol.
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is there anything other than corals that can be fragged?
Like mushrooms and rics for an example ? is this what you mean by other than corals ?
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Your fingers if you get to close to a knife lol.
Your a bad bad man mike :hysterical:
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are there any toxins to watch out for?
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are starfish considerd ''corals''
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no starfish are not corals
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are there any toxins to watch out for?
Yes, some zoa's and poloys (not sure the correct spelling sorry) have I think its called polo toxin that can be bad if it gets into an open wound. If I frag anything soft (zoas leathers ect) I always wear gloves and use eye protection.
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are starfish considerd ''corals''
they are considered inverts I believe.
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Your a bad bad man mike :hysterical:
Just trying to keep it fun and fresh. lol
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i think starfish might be able to frag, do they also move the direction of thier longest limb?
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No, echinoderms ('spiny-skin') encompass starfish, urchins, brittle stars, and sea cucumbers (and at least one more I'm forgetting at the moment.)
There is no coral in the echinodermata phylum.
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I have a starfish in my tank it seems to move the direction of its longest limb is this true for all starfish?
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Not as a rule, no. They all have chemoreceptors that will orient the legs toward food, and some have photoreceptors- some will move away from strong light. If food happens to be closest to a smaller leg, they'll move in that direction, regardless of leg placement.
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can starfish cach and eat fish?
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Some can, yes. The one most often blamed for catching and eating fish is the green brittle star- Ophiarachna incrassata.
Other stars will eat corals or other invertebrates.