CCW

[micki]

A question to your CCW boys... If you go to someones house, are you required to tell them you are carrying?

[ohioreef]

A question to your CCW boys... If you go to someones house, are you required to tell them you are carrying?

I don't believe so. Courtesy would dictate that you do, but I don't believe it's a requirement.

[Boonjob]

I don't believe so. Courtesy would dictate that you do, but I don't believe it's a requirement.

Correct... you don't have to tell them, and can enter so long as it isn't posted that you can't...obviously if they find out and ask you to leave you would have to at that time....

To be honest the less people who know you are carrying the better off everyone is (IMO), officer's excluded(It's the law, and I still feel its best they know, their job is stressful enough as it is.)... So I personally am not going to willing hand over that info, unless your and officer... but if you find out on your own and I am asked to leave a home by the homeowner, I will respect your decision.

[HUNGER]

Correct... you don't have to tell them, and can enter so long as it isn't posted that you can't...obviously if they find out and ask you to leave you would have to at that time....

To be honest the less people who know you are carrying the better off everyone is (IMO), officer's excluded(It's the law, and I still feel its best they know, their job is stressful enough as it is.)... So I personally am not going to willing hand over that info, unless your and officer... but if you find out on your own and I am asked to leave a home by the homeowner, I will respect your decision.

+1

[micki]

So if I didn't want anyone bring a weapon into my home all I have to do is post a sign saying such?  I'm not saying I want to do that.  There was a sales man at my house the other day and after he left I wondered if he might have had a gun, made me wonder if it was allowed or not.  He was a nice guy and all, just made me wonder about it.

[Boonjob]

Yes you could post that you do not want any guns on the premises... but it has to be clearly visible... in most all cases it won't really stop anyone from carrying a weapon on to your property that intends to do "bad" with it... it will stop those who most likely are legal to carry and have passed qualifications and/or backgrounds though (like myself)...

Not saying the salesman is legal or not but if he was there and you asked him to leave due to the firearm and it was posted or not he should... if not it'd be at the descretion of your local law enforcement from that point.   Most legal ccw holders will vacate as even though it is really handled as tresspassing (minor penalties), they are prone to loosing their ccw permit for such, and most all are law abiding and mean no harm.

[discus513]

So if I didn't want anyone bring a weapon into my home all I have to do is post a sign saying such?  I'm not saying I want to do that.  There was a sales man at my house the other day and after he left I wondered if he might have had a gun, made me wonder if it was allowed or not.  He was a nice guy and all, just made me wonder about it.

I beleave the way the law is written, I can carry my weapon in any building other then bank, school, post office, etc,even if there is a sign, if you read the sign it says unless permited by law. but then if they ask you to leave, you have to leave or you are breaking the law.

But as far as you salesman, think of it like this. If he is a law biding citizen who has his CCW and has his weapon on him, he will probably respect your sign and not enter your home with his firearm ( he probably wasnt going to rob you anyways) LOL.

If he was a criminal who was looking to rob you he probably isnt going to care what your sign says! HE WOULD ALREADY BE BREAKING THE LAW.

Just some food for thought.

[micki]

Let me clarify, I don't know that the sales man had a weapon, I only used him as an example.  He was a very nice man and I had no reason to be concerned from that aspect.  I did however have my dog leashed and sitting by me the entire time.  Reece doesn't like men at all especially if they are near me!  LOL 

[cyberwollf]

To be honest the less people who know you are carrying the better off everyone is (IMO),

-1... "An armed society is a polite society."  If someone knows im carrying, me and my family are much less of a target to somone thinking about doing something bad.

[Boonjob]

-1... "An armed society is a polite society."  If someone knows im carrying, me and my family are much less of a target to somone thinking about doing something bad.

In your mind....in mine it can most certainly work to your disadvantage.... cops are still harmed, armed banks and personel are still robbed

Making it known you have a weapon can just as easily make you a target as it can not... I personally will work on the "prospect" that I "may" be armed over the publicized fact that I am, hanging from my hip for the world to see... making it known to everyone is just foolish "in my opinion" in almost all situations... especially ones where you are caught off guard or that the openly displayed weapon comes into the possesion of your assilant, and used against your family because they knew exactly where to grab it from... 

Your quote is valid, but until the day everyone carries guns you are just going to be come a "priority target" for the determined... be a shame knowing you could have had a chance stop something if they didn't know you had a weapon as opposed to be stopped short because they acted on you first because you did.

[discus513]

the reason you get your CCW is to lawfully concel your gun. Anyone is aloud to carry a gun in the state of Ohio in plain site as long as you do not have a felony.

[HUNGER]

But if one person calls the cops u will get charged for inducing panic

[discus513]

yes you can be charged for inducing panic, if the cop decides to charge you. I was just stating that there is a reson why it is CONCEL Carry weapon.

[ohioreef]

I beleave the way the law is written, I can carry my weapon in any building other then bank, school, post office, etc,even if there is a sign.....

Are you a LEO? If not, and it is posted, you can not carry your firearm into the premise. I'm not sure how that applies when it comes to private residences.

[Boonjob]

if you read the sign it says unless permited by law

Are you a LEO? If not, and it is posted, you can not carry your firearm into the premise. I'm not sure how that applies when it comes to private residences.

Correct, the permitted by law section refers to law enforcement personel or similar, not the standard armed "civilian"

If you carry into a posted no carry zone and are not a law enforcement officer or property owner, you are tresspassing. Most may just ask you to leave, others may take it more seriously...


As for the residential postings... the same should apply for a no tresspassing or soliciting signage that would apply for a no carry zone... The property owner has the right to post any of the above signs... they all should be treated under the same principle of tresspassing, Though it most likely may vary under each jurisdiction or local goverment, it for the most part should all be applicable and treated mostly the same in the state of Ohio. In my understanding.

[ohioreef]

According to ORC 2923.126(C)(3)(A) it appears that a private person can post their residence as prohibiting CCW.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.126

[ohioreef]

Even as a LEO, I am prohibited from carrying in schools, courthouses, govt buildings, etc. Unless I'm on duty, of course.

[Boonjob]

Yessir

[discus513]

There are many loopholes in the law, and although I dont know the law word for word or care too, according to my CCW teacher who has been in law enforcement for 20+ years and has been teaching the classes since the CCW permits where first issued. you are not breaking the law if you go into a posted area because by the law you are permitted to carry. But if you refuse when they ask you to leave then you can be charged with several different charges.


Also about the posting the sign at the home, one thing to think about is if you have the sign posted then you are taking responsability for everyone who enters your home, so if a mad man comes in and shoots them, and you have posted that they are not aloud to carry on your premises, then be ready for a lawsuit.

[discus513]

Also since there is so many people here you obviously have there CCW permit, I wonder how many guns there were at Aquavista's house the day of the meeting?? I bet there was a couple! LOL

[kattz]

No, my .40 and my 9mm were both secured in the car.  I don't carry into anyone's house, period, unless it's a Craigslist deal.  Something just strikes me as not right about it.  Courtesy, I guess.

As for businesses that post it up, I politely ask for the manager, and then give him or her my card that reads "NO Firearm, NO $" and politely leave.  My weapon is in the car; I'm just makng my point.  My car dealer posted it up and I politely told them that I'd find another dealer.  Now, I'm permitted by the owner to carry in the dealership in writing.